Pitchsiding? I presume it's a thing? Is it?

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megarain
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If there are no sat feeds people can facetime, bribe local people, or hack into feeds. these are all probably illegal - but pretty tough to police.

Once one person has it - it soon gets distributed.

I won't comment on runs line markets.
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Just on the way home from Metricon from the Sixers/Strikers game.

Tickets were restricted to square of the wicket on only one side of the ground, made it very easy to pick the boundaries earlier compared to the Gabba match (where I was behind the bowlers arm) but impossible to pick to line, potential nicks/wides etc.

Did better than the Heat game which was surprising since it wasn't particularly competitive but being able to pick up the square of the wicket boundaries earlier made a huge difference. Changed my strategy a little but think that will be it for me for the season, the few dollars you can make aren't worth the risk of getting blacklisted from the grounds (for me at least). I'll probably experiment with one of the fast feeds and see if it's feasible to keep up with the market.
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megarain wrote:
Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:13 pm
If there are no sat feeds people can facetime, bribe local people, or hack into feeds. these are all probably illegal - but pretty tough to police.

Once one person has it - it soon gets distributed.

I won't comment on runs line markets.
But in terms of the broadcasting it's either done by satellite or fiber in my understanding. Without fans and if nothing is sent over sat then they would have to access the fiber feed which I didn't think was possible like people can with the sat feeds, so it would have to come from someone who has access on the inside distributing it out.
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JA89 wrote:
Sun Jan 03, 2021 11:21 am
Just on the way home from Metricon from the Sixers/Strikers game.

Tickets were restricted to square of the wicket on only one side of the ground, made it very easy to pick the boundaries earlier compared to the Gabba match (where I was behind the bowlers arm) but impossible to pick to line, potential nicks/wides etc.

Did better than the Heat game which was surprising since it wasn't particularly competitive but being able to pick up the square of the wicket boundaries earlier made a huge difference. Changed my strategy a little but think that will be it for me for the season, the few dollars you can make aren't worth the risk of getting blacklisted from the grounds (for me at least). I'll probably experiment with one of the fast feeds and see if it's feasible to keep up with the market.
Has there been history of blacklisting at the BBL at all? As outlined in Game Set Cash the tennis authorities really clamped down on it when the rights deal started and made courtsiding pretty hard but I imagine it's much harder to police in cricket (if they even bother)
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Yeah there have been isolated reported incidents and a few arrests for trespass when banned people have attended future games. No idea how many bans have gone unreported. It seems most have been caught with laptops and/or equipment to send info to third parties. Doing it on your phone would have to be low risk you'd think, half the crowd is on their phone at any one time anyway. The way I'm doing it is very unsophisticated mind you, one click with a corresponding offset. I literally never have to look at my phone if I don't want (obviously I want to see if the offset bet has been matched though).
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So last year on my way home from work I decided to try an experiment, I work not far from the cricket ground where Scotland plays its matches, you can walk around the ground, and at some parts can easily see over the wall to watch the cricket for free

It was Scotland v Zimbabwe in a t20, so armed with my 5G connection and my laptop propped on the wall with betangel ladders open I tried to do a bit of courtsiding,

And no matter how fast I entered, and I'm talking entering when a boundary is hit just as it leaves the bat, I was still well behind the market moving, and I dont just mean bets being cancelled, I mean money being placed up the ladder ahead of me, how was this possible? How could I be over 1 second behind market moving? Do some people have a reduced inplay bet delay?

I gave up after 30 mins as really just wanted to see if it was possible, and spent the next 45 mins walking around the ground and inside the ground (it wasnt a big crowd) to see if I could see any other people with laptops or tablets ect.. couldn't find a single other person, just people enjoying the sun with a beer and watching the cricket, was a mystery!
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Mate i tried to go in a bbl game last year in canberra they are very strict i was calling my friend they said you cant keep talking on phone with somebdy they almost blacklisted me from ground i dont think anybdy can do it from ground like facetime pics its not possible
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Bubace wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:28 am
So last year on my way home from work I decided to try an experiment, I work not far from the cricket ground where Scotland plays its matches, you can walk around the ground, and at some parts can easily see over the wall to watch the cricket for free

It was Scotland v Zimbabwe in a t20, so armed with my 5G connection and my laptop propped on the wall with betangel ladders open I tried to do a bit of courtsiding,

And no matter how fast I entered, and I'm talking entering when a boundary is hit just as it leaves the bat, I was still well behind the market moving, and I dont just mean bets being cancelled, I mean money being placed up the ladder ahead of me, how was this possible? How could I be over 1 second behind market moving? Do some people have a reduced inplay bet delay?

I gave up after 30 mins as really just wanted to see if it was possible, and spent the next 45 mins walking around the ground and inside the ground (it wasnt a big crowd) to see if I could see any other people with laptops or tablets ect.. couldn't find a single other person, just people enjoying the sun with a beer and watching the cricket, was a mystery!
Possibly bets being placed in advance then left to go live or prevented from hitting the market using coding at the will of the trader. There was a thread about this can be done on here some months ago.
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I Am led to believe Uk cricket authorities now ask people at the ground not to trade continuously.

What that means, I have no real idea - it's possible it might be a case-by-case basis.

There are heaps of ground traders this year - if u cant spot them, then they have hidden devices.
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I haven't read all the posts in this thread so, I am sorry if mentioned before.

For tennis, 2 people are needed. One in the court, an android mobile phone in his pocket. Volume up button is assigned for Player A point and volume down button is assigned for Player B point. The courtsider presses the appropriate button when he sees the point. The second person is on the desktop setting the odds for both possibilities. Mobile app is connected to the desktop app which triggers the bets. Since 5G is introduced and spreading, this setup works without any risks to get caught.
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jamesedwards wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:51 pm
Possibly bets being placed in advance then left to go live or prevented from hitting the market using coding at the will of the trader. There was a thread about this can be done on here some months ago.
Do you have a link to that thread? I know something similar used to be possible by transferring funds between wallets to prevent a bet entering a market etc, but I was under the understanding that it was no longer possible.
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JA89 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:43 am
jamesedwards wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:51 pm
Possibly bets being placed in advance then left to go live or prevented from hitting the market using coding at the will of the trader. There was a thread about this can be done on here some months ago.
Do you have a link to that thread? I know something similar used to be possible by transferring funds between wallets to prevent a bet entering a market etc, but I was under the understanding that it was no longer possible.
It's just placing offers well ahead of time, and then cancelling what you don't want. Cancels have no delay but they need a bet ref. That means you can't send a bet then cancel it in the time before it hits the market, it has to be there.... and then you can cancel it instantly.

Moving money in and out of your wallet wouldn't be very helpful for all your other strategies, and account transactions don't have the same response time so it could all get out of sync.
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Bubace wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 9:28 am
So last year on my way home from work I decided to try an experiment, I work not far from the cricket ground where Scotland plays its matches, you can walk around the ground, and at some parts can easily see over the wall to watch the cricket for free

It was Scotland v Zimbabwe in a t20, so armed with my 5G connection and my laptop propped on the wall with betangel ladders open I tried to do a bit of courtsiding,

And no matter how fast I entered, and I'm talking entering when a boundary is hit just as it leaves the bat, I was still well behind the market moving, and I dont just mean bets being cancelled, I mean money being placed up the ladder ahead of me, how was this possible? How could I be over 1 second behind market moving? Do some people have a reduced inplay bet delay?

I gave up after 30 mins as really just wanted to see if it was possible, and spent the next 45 mins walking around the ground and inside the ground (it wasnt a big crowd) to see if I could see any other people with laptops or tablets ect.. couldn't find a single other person, just people enjoying the sun with a beer and watching the cricket, was a mystery!
That's very interesting. The main courtsiders will have the very best specialised equipment in order to get their bets to the BF server as fast as possible. People had devices sewn into their shorts at least 12 years ago now and technology has come a long way. But that said with 5g connection on your laptop you shouldn't be 1 second behind.

Ignoring laptops/tablets do you think you would you have noticed someone with hands in pockets taping away? In a small crowd I would have thought you could spot them if you looked hard enough. Alternatively was there a press area out of eyesight? Get a video next time
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JA89 wrote:
Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:43 am
jamesedwards wrote:
Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:51 pm
Possibly bets being placed in advance then left to go live or prevented from hitting the market using coding at the will of the trader. There was a thread about this can be done on here some months ago.
Do you have a link to that thread? I know something similar used to be possible by transferring funds between wallets to prevent a bet entering a market etc, but I was under the understanding that it was no longer possible.
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