Pitchsiding? I presume it's a thing? Is it?

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gazuty wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:18 am
JA89 wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:20 am
I pitchsided the Brisbane Heat v Hobart Hurricanes last night. I've done it before but not for a couple of years.

The market is so quick now, Mujaab bowled a half tracker that got hit for 4 (his only bad ball all night mind you) and I placed my order as the ball pitched in anticipation of it getting smashed and I still missed the price, even though it hadn't even reached the batsman yet.

The market makers are obviously pulling their offers within the 5 seconds but they obviously have a fast feed or someone at the ground themselves. I could see the channel 7 vision in a corporate box and it was about 8 seconds behind.

I did ok in the end but it was surprising to me that the market reacted quicker to boundaries than it did to wickets. A heap of security and police milling around made it difficult too, don't think I'll bother again.
Interesting. I guess you have the latency of your vps/vpn and 4G connection to factor in to the overall speed equation. Market makers may have someone in the crowd describing the game on a mobile or following an am radio broadcast which could also help with the speed advantage over your vps/vpn.
was betting the end of the game last night, exiting finish
"ultrafast" stream is bit more than 2 seconds behind live so thats well good enough for market making
anyone obtaining the feed without having to stream it should be at least another half second ahead
bbc 5 extra covering australian cricket but latency is 7-8 seconds, probably commentating off tv pictures rather than being at the event as for australian open tennis etc
other court siders probably have a more sophisticated setup and do market making as well and optimized for speed better than you
you know your exact bet placement time? might well be 5.5 or 6 second which then makes it hard competing for moving the price first
the market reacting faster to boundaries must be because wicket you know right away whereas some boundaries you arent sure until you watch the flight of the ball for a bit?
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I wasnt aware of this...

- In Victoria, pitchsiding is now a criminal offence after laws passed in 2013.
- Cricket Australia has hired an external bet monitoring company, Sportsradar, to provide intelligence on the nature and volume of betting on domestic matches.
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Strange 5 live xtra don't use the Aus com for the the Big bash like they do for the WBBL and AUS national team matches(3-4 secs behind live)

as for the market moving quicker on 4s/6s rather then wickets I would put down to people hovering over the boundary price rather then the wicket price as boundaries are more common then wickets.


Last nights match.....Tied match was odds for an age after the 3rd umpire had clearly said ...."bat is in the air I am ready to make my decision"

in the back of my mind I had the old saying.....If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is' and missed out :cry:
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Archery1969 wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:26 am
I wasnt aware of this...

- In Victoria, pitchsiding is now a criminal offence after laws passed in 2013.
The Victorian law doesn’t target courtsiding in my opinion.

Targets conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of an event or an event contingency - see http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/ ... 48/s3.html

There was a person arrested for “courtsiding” at the Australia Open in Melbourne in 2014. The case was dropped by the DPP because there was no reasonable prospect of a conviction. See https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-06/ ... ed/5302508

There was no reasonable prospect of conviction because there was no evidence of conduct to corrupt an outcome, no player bribe or shining a laser or doing something else to "corrupt the outcome".
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Archery1969 wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:26 am
I wasnt aware of this...

- In Victoria, pitchsiding is now a criminal offence after laws passed in 2013.
- Cricket Australia has hired an external bet monitoring company, Sportsradar, to provide intelligence on the nature and volume of betting on domestic matches.
That's just alarmist reporting, the actual law is something like 'engaging in behaviour to corrupt a betting outcome'. They tried to get a courtsider at the Aus Open on that charge but it was withdrawn when they realised they weren't match fixing, just relaying info to a syndicate. So not an offence, but they'll kick you out if they find you doing it because it's against the conditions of entry.
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Beat me to it 😂
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The Big Bash pictures are split between Channel 7 and Fox.

Raw fast feeds are available on 160E satelite.

U need this sort of dish and setup to stream effectively.
AUS Dishes porn.jpg
I had these 2 dishes installed about 2 weeks ago. They are streaming the Big Bash pics fora few Indian bookies and other clients.

The tennis might be on next month.

Speed / quality all depends on kit - this well enables bet cancellation.
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Fair size dishes them :lol:
They must cost a fair whack?
Do they only pic up big bash or other Cricket?
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Few coins ..

They also get some test matches and other stuff
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megarain wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:33 pm
The Big Bash pictures are split between Channel 7 and Fox.

Raw fast feeds are available on 160E satelite.

U need this sort of dish and setup to stream effectively.

AUS Dishes porn.jpg

I had these 2 dishes installed about 2 weeks ago. They are streaming the Big Bash pics fora few Indian bookies and other clients.

The tennis might be on next month.

Speed / quality all depends on kit - this well enables bet cancellation.
Nice kit, what sort of latency are you getting with it in relation to the live play?
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Users get it on their desktop about 2 secs behind live.
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That's impressive considering the big screen at the ground is about 0.8sec behind
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Pitchsiding is rife in Cricket. With the increase in liquidity in recent years the rewards are huge, pre pandemic there would be someone at most matches even the non-televised T20 Blast games. It's been interesting to watch the markets this year without crowds/pitchsiders but 1 person was still ahead of the rest most of the time for the televised England and T20 Blast games. When one of the England games got called off due to rain someone hoovered the CMM market a couple of seconds before TMS read out the note so it has to have been someone in the press or broadcasting side of things.
megarain wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:33 pm
The Big Bash pictures are split between Channel 7 and Fox.

Raw fast feeds are available on 160E satelite.

U need this sort of dish and setup to stream effectively.

AUS Dishes porn.jpg

I had these 2 dishes installed about 2 weeks ago. They are streaming the Big Bash pics fora few Indian bookies and other clients.

The tennis might be on next month.

Speed / quality all depends on kit - this well enables bet cancellation.
Have the first two India Tests had raw satellite feeds? You can see someone quickly hitting the runs line market every ball, interested to know if they are at the ground or if they could potentially be using the raw feed
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Only 1 day of the tests were not on satellite.

There are many other ways to get live feeds - just more labour intensive.

The Betfair runs lines have become v illiquid for whatever reason - I have my theories. Off-site, the mkts are incredibly deep.
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Pitchsiding ... it's just not cricket! :D

OK, but reading that literally it means it takes place in sports other than cricket so I'm posting here under the Pitchsiding head, not the cricket head.

One area of 'pitchsiding' that fascinates me as to how it is done is the fallen national hunt horse. You have say 10 horses tightly bunched together, there is a faller in the middle of the pack and by the time you see it on the video the price has already leapt out to 1000 and someone has swept-up a big handful of unlucky back stakes! How? Two people, one with binoculars telling the other with finger poised over the Lay buttons? I admire those who can identify the faller immediately so as to take action especially with some very large fields but there are no spectators nowadays. Do they really do it from a fast fed TV screen Also only one can do it ... there is no profit in coming second in the sweep-up. That seems a lot of dedication in the hope of no competition.
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