betfair single customer view trial started

[zippus]

Sounds like Big Brother to me. The premise that someone that has self-excluded and can't stop gambling - so needs to be protected - is admirable. However, these new rules would simply empower the gambling industry to forceably exclude those people they deem to be a problem. This is open to abuse and would represent a huge infringement on our civil liberties. It's quite worrying to see how much the Big State wants to control every aspect of our lives.

I have a real problem with someone telling me how to spend my (taxed) income. Quite where this will end if it stands, who knows. Digital currency, social credits etc etc...

[xtrader16]

I was under the impression that they are trying to stop people killing themselves by stopping people betting themselves into a depressive state and ending it all (plenty of other reason you will end up like this in today's society are you going to ban them all) . Probably less than 10 people per year do this.

So what they should be assessing is individuals metal state and not the profit/loss on somebody's account. How can they assess the mental state of somebody by looking at their P/L sheet. They need to pay for a psychological assessment of individuals before closing accounts.

[ilovepizza82]

I was under the impression that they are trying to stop people killing themselves by stopping people betting themselves into a depressive state and ending it all (plenty of other reason you will end up like this in today's society are you going to ban them all) . Probably less than 10 people per year do this.

So what they should be assessing is individuals metal state and not the profit/loss on somebody's account. How can they assess the mental state of somebody by looking at their P/L sheet. They need to pay for a psychological assessment of individuals before closing accounts.

THey just assume everyone is immature and mentaly sick these days

[zippus]

I have a real issue with this. I’ll happily share my story and why this approach doesn’t work for me.

I’m a fairly successful businessman with decent assets and cash in the bank. I’m looking to trade full time and have invested significant monies post covid in learning the trading game. I made lots of mistakes early on and took some losses, some of which were heavy. Nevertheless, all historical losses were fully affordable and I was never risking my way of life or mental health. I’ve finally managed to turn things round and am now making decent long-term profits. Now the rug may be pulled from under me because I’m in a net-loss situation plus previously refused to provide sensitive data to an exchange and they closed my account. (This was fine with me because the exchange lacked the liquidity of Betfair and I was happy to withdraw the money). Very frustrating and I’m not happy to say the least!

[WisdomOfCrowds]

All of this is beyond belief. At the very least, there must be some means of appeal against having an account closed. This appeal must be done by an independent body, not the bookmakers, who now seem to be judge, jury and executioner.

In no other walk of life do we have to justify how we spend our money. This infringes on our civil liberties and simply shouldn't be allowed.

The white paper still hasn't yet reached parliament. Hopefully, the sane amongst the MPs (and Lords) will do something to help us as I feel as though we're being completely ignored and under-represented in this process.

The bookmakers have done a great deal to create 'problem gamblers' but now seem to be charged with policing it.

[andy28]

“Whilst many companies put forward proposals for this system, it was clear that GAMSTOP stood out from the rest. They are uniquely placed as they currently operate the online gambling self-exclusion scheme which has helped more than two hundred and fifty thousand people over the last five years

What do they consider as helped?

I would like to know if there is ever a follow up say a year later asking family/friends if there is still a problem, because without proper help or strong will power not to go down the same rabbit hole I would be willing to bet most will still be gambling, most likely illegally

[Derek27]

I would like to know if there is ever a follow up say a year later asking family/friends if there is still a problem,

I would like to think that would be illegal, a breach of confidentiality.

[andy28]

I would like to know if there is ever a follow up say a year later asking family/friends if there is still a problem,

I would like to think that would be illegal, a breach of confidentiality.

You are probably right. In which case they can't say they have helped anyone as they would have no way of knowing

[Derek27]

I would like to know if there is ever a follow up say a year later asking family/friends if there is still a problem,

I would like to think that would be illegal, a breach of confidentiality.

You are probably right. In which case they can't say they have helped anyone as they would have no way of knowing

Simply making contact can count as help. The Jehovah Witnesses help a million people a day!

[Naffman]

I had my BF account locked and told I wouldn’t even get my funds back just a year ago, it was only that I went higher up that I managed to rectify this. There is absolutely no chance once a decision is made that they will reverse it, betting in this country will be on its knees soon.

[Sonny]

Single customer view, affordability checks - Orwellian....

This is just affecting UK-based customers, right?

Anybody got an idea of the state of the matter for people residing in e.g. Ireland or Malta?

[Kai]

This is just affecting UK-based customers, right?

Anybody got an idea of the state of the matter for people residing in e.g. Ireland or Malta?

I think it's only UK-based, not heard otherwise yet so hopefully that's the case?

I've not asked directly but the only few questions about it that I got from my account manager were a relatively basic check which is probably standard stuff, about staying within your own limits and being familiar with player protection tools etc, and a question about profession where a vague description of the field is enough

[cmuddle]

Putin launching an all-out nuclear attack on Western Europe is now just a trivial concern on this forum.

Why bother worrying about a Nuclear attack on the UK - we know how it ends so why even worry about it. Somethings are far more important.

I've just read through this thread and it seems ANYBODY who has been banned from one Bookmaker for one reason or another is going to be banned by every Bookie who is registered to the scheme. I was banned by Ladbrokes for using my wife's account (it doesn't matter how they found out) does this mean I will be banned from ever putting a bet on again, even on Betfair once they find out.

This is proper Orwellian sh!t this, crazy. I've spend years trying to make trading work and just as about I am about to go into constant profit they think they can pull the plug on EVERY account. This is insane.

Just because a few people kill themselves after going to far. Sorry if it sounds heartless but these people probably would have died of something at some point anyway. 20,000 people die of Alcohol poising every year and I don't see that getting banned. The worst thing is THEY INTRODUCED the Casio style games that the odd few people get sucked into - they created this problem. Once they start to share information and act on it they will have to close 10,s of thousands of accounts overnight. It is none of their business where I spend my money.

I totally agree, all those stupid casino games are dangerous and this is where most lose their money.

[ShaunWhite]

[. 20,000 people die of Alcohol poising every year and I don't see that getting banned.

But they do restrict advertising, ditto for perfectly legal tobacco. It's ridiculous they can ram gambling adverts down people's throats 247 and then try to tell people they can't do it. F1, darts, etc all survived when tobacco and booze money was banned so its about time football and commercial TV stations did the decent thing and stopped sucking at the teat of the gambling industry.