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jamesedwards
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Betdaq wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 9:38 am
Hi. I was away for a two weeks. I have some of the other forums on my phone but regretfully not Bet Angel as of yet.

I will be getting this looked at today.
Thanks Enda.

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Betdaq
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Can I confirm if anyone else has encountered this issue and also if anyone has encountered it in the last week as the first report was over two weeks ago.
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Betdaq wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2024 8:55 am
Can I confirm if anyone else has encountered this issue and also if anyone has encountered it in the last week as the first report was over two weeks ago.
Was behaving better for me today, but then on the 16:10 @ Newton Abbot it happened again.

A £1 back bet at 1.01 on "Clearance", matched (after the one-second delay) at 1.01 despite money available at 1.07, 1.03 and 1.02. Video attached.

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It seems to ebb and flow. Will match as expected for a while, but then there will be a period where it fails. 16:40 @ Newton Abbot also matched at 1.01 despite higher prices being available.
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What does the log say?

I suspect as it's intermittant and inplay, that maybe it's related to the matching engine not having prices available at the exact moment the orders is fired in?
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Euler wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2024 4:52 pm
What does the log say?
Nothing exciting for that specific race.

05/06/2024 16:11:35: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
05/06/2024 16:15:27: £ 1 Back bet placed on 7 Clearance at 1.01. Fully matched at 1.01. Ref: 10148127559
05/06/2024 16:27:00: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended


I do get the blacklisting errors occur occasionally, although they don't seem to interfere with my ability to trade.

05/06/2024 16:48:47: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:47: Blacklist info:
LISTSELECTIONTRADES - Wait 59 seconds
LISTORDERSCHANGEDSINCE - Wait 59 seconds

05/06/2024 16:48:48: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:48: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:49: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:49: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:50: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:51: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:51: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:52: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:52: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:53: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:53: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:54: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:55: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:55: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:56: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:57: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:57: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:58: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:58: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:59: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:48:59: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:00: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:00: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:01: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:01: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:02: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:02: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:04: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:04: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:05: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:05: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:06: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:06: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:07: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:07: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:07: Blacklist info:
LISTSELECTIONTRADES - Wait 39 seconds
LISTORDERSCHANGEDSINCE - Wait 39 seconds

05/06/2024 16:49:08: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:08: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:09: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:10: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:10: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:11: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:11: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:12: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:13: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:13: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:14: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:14: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:15: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:16: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:16: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:17: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:17: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:18: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:18: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:19: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:19: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:20: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:20: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:21: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:22: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:23: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:23: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:24: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:24: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:25: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:25: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:26: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:26: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:27: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:28: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:28: Blacklist info:
LISTSELECTIONTRADES - Wait 19 seconds
LISTORDERSCHANGEDSINCE - Wait 19 seconds

05/06/2024 16:49:28: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:29: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:29: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:30: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:30: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:31: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:32: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:32: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:33: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:33: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:34: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:35: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:35: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:36: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:36: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:37: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:37: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:38: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:38: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:40: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:40: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:41: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:41: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:42: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:42: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:43: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:43: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:44: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:44: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:45: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:46: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:47: An error occurred while getting full market volume information for all runners: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
05/06/2024 16:49:47: An error occurred while getting changed bets: <406> BETDAQ cannot process your request as you are currently calling their servers too frequently and have been temporarily black-listed
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Euler wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2024 4:52 pm

I suspect as it's intermittant and inplay, that maybe it's related to the matching engine not having prices available at the exact moment the orders is fired in?
Perhaps. But sometimes there is plenty of money available at higher prices before, during, and after the bet placement. Yet I still get matched at 1.01. eg this example.
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I've tried to replicate it, but can't. I guess you are more active doing it than I am.
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Euler wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:28 pm
I've tried to replicate it, but can't. I guess you are more active doing it than I am.
OK, thanks for looking at it.
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We will try a few things, but being able to replicate is the key. As that will tell us what is happening. At the moment, there is nothing it the code that could cause this. So it must be the matching engine somehow at Betdaq.
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I've been experimenting with less volatile in-play markets where it's easier to track the money...

I placed a £1 back bet at 1.01 on a selection where 1.26 was available. During the 7-sec bet delay 1.27 became available, yet when my bet hit the market it was still matched at 1.26, despite 1.27 remaining available. You can see the £1 come off the 1.26 in the vid attached. Surely it should have matched at 1.27?
Desktop 2024.06.05 - 18.48.23.29.DVR (online-video-cutter.com).mp4

Another example, I placed a £1 back bet @ 1.01 with price at 1.38. During the bet placement delay the price dropped to 1.37, then back up to 1.38. When my bet hit it matched at 1.37. Surely it should have matched at 1.38?

Perhaps these issues are connected to those I'm seeing on horse racing?
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There is no obvious explanation for this and we are still investigating.
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jamesedwards wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2024 7:01 pm
I've been experimenting with less volatile in-play markets where it's easier to track the money...

I placed a £1 back bet at 1.01 on a selection where 1.26 was available. During the 7-sec bet delay 1.27 became available, yet when my bet hit the market it was still matched at 1.26, despite 1.27 remaining available. You can see the £1 come off the 1.26 in the vid attached. Surely it should have matched at 1.27?
Desktop 2024.06.05 - 18.48.23.29.DVR (online-video-cutter.com).mp4


Another example, I placed a £1 back bet @ 1.01 with price at 1.38. During the bet placement delay the price dropped to 1.37, then back up to 1.38. When my bet hit it matched at 1.37. Surely it should have matched at 1.38?

Perhaps these issues are connected to those I'm seeing on horse racing?
That just sounds like currency / odds rounding - you can often get a very slight difference on prices when dealing with small amounts. That is much different to the other issues where you are not getting matched when you should be.
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I am going to correct myself on the above statement as I got some more feedback. We are still investigating.
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Thanks for looking into this. It is much appreciated.

I do have a theory as to what might be happening, but have no easy way to test it. But, perhaps it could be an idea worth putting to your technical team?

It feels like perhaps I'm only getting matched against offers that have remained static during the bet placement delay period. So when offers towards the top of the ladder are rapidly fluctuating (as they would towards the end of a horse race), then by the time my 1.01 back hits the market following the one-sec delay, it often gets matched further down the ladder where offers are more stable. This would also explain the anomalies I saw on the slower-moving in-play football that I posted above.
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