I think I have found serious bugs in BetAngel

[Dallas]

I fancy 3 horses to win but one of them more than the other two.
As it is I can have a target win figure of say £10 for each runner, but I cant see how to have say zero 5 and 10 targets favouring the horses I fancy?

Or cant BetAngel do this?

Tick the "Over ride target profit" box immedietly to the right of where it shows your predicted profit (Target win figure) and set the amount you want for each selection.

[Euler]

http://www.betangel.com/user-guide/bet_ ... ching.html

[AllTheGearNoIdea]

Thanks Dallas. I see how to do it, thank you.

Euler
I'm obviously taking up way too much of your time.

your link and help guide only says

There are certain circumstances where if you dutch a market and have failed to account for the impact of withdrawn selections you could face a substantial loss. Please make sure you understand the market you are dutching and make sure you clearly read the rules of the market to asses any possible impact.

So; two bets in a dutch. They are in effect two separate bets with varing stakes and odds but together they give the required profit if one wins.

But , one of them is withdrawn after both are matched. You therefore have only one bet running. In play it looks like its going to lose. But I cant green/red up because for some reason that option is no longer available to me.

What is that reason if its not too much trouble to ask? Thank you.

[Tanden]

If you go into "Edit Settings..." and then go to the Behaviour tab you will find a tick box labelled "Disable green up calculation following dutching"

This link may be of use...

http://www.betangel.com/knowledge-base/ ... n-shows-na

[asaele]

I have said we will look at it and put something on the development roster, but we have to assess how it impacts everything else before we attempt to make a change and also there are other items ahead of it at any one time. It's never been requested before.

Found this old thread after using the dutching tool actively for the first time. Backed the field at Australian Open. Everything worked fine, except for the 1000 odds selections where it bet way too much.No problem betting fractions at shorter (but still very high) odds. This bug is a bit expensive when there are several selections on 1000 odds.

Would be very interested in a solution/workaround. And of course this is important to free funds by backing all selections as Euler mentioned another place in the thread.

Edit: this may not be the correct thread as my issue is not the same as OP. But thought it was related.

[Jim Royle]

I have said we will look at it and put something on the development roster, but we have to assess how it impacts everything else before we attempt to make a change and also there are other items ahead of it at any one time. It's never been requested before.

Found this old thread after using the dutching tool actively for the first time. Backed the field at Australian Open. Everything worked fine, except for the 1000 odds selections where it bet way too much.No problem betting fractions at shorter (but still very high) odds. This bug is a bit expensive when there are several selections on 1000 odds.

Would be very interested in a solution/workaround. And of course this is important to free funds by backing all selections as Euler mentioned another place in the thread.

Edit: this may not be the correct thread as my issue is not the same as OP. But thought it was related.

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

[asaele]

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

Exactly, this is what happens.

Do you know what triggers the "extra" £2 bet? Is it the odds of 1000, or the fractional bet below a certain level, like £0.09?
Placing £100 total, a £0.1 bet on 900 odds works fine.

If it is the too low bet size (0.09) that is the problem, a workaround would be to place slightly larger bet. Anyway, hope this can be looked at and fixed in a later version.

[jamesedwards]

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

Exactly, this is what happens.

Do you know what triggers the "extra" £2 bet? Is it the odds of 1000, or the fractional bet below a certain level, like £0.09?
Placing £100 total, a £0.1 bet on 900 odds works fine.

If it is the too low bet size (0.09) that is the problem, a workaround would be to place slightly larger bet. Anyway, hope this can be looked at and fixed in a later version.

£2 minimum stake is a Betfair limitation. Bet Angel gets around the £2 min stake by placing a bet at the maximum possible odds of 1000 and then cancelling the unwanted part of the bet before reducing the odds down to desired level. If the market is already trading at the max possible price of 1000 then the whole £2 will be traded before Bet Angel has the chance to cancel the unwanted part of the stake.

I don't use green up myself, but there is this setting under the green up tab that presumably ignores 1000 selections when greening up. This will get around the error but leave you with large liabilities on any of the 1000/1 selections at the time.

delet.PNG

[asaele]

Thanks, that explains why it behaves like it does.

My practical problem is not with green up though, but trying to place fractional back bets at 1000 odds in the dutching tab.
I guess that is just not possible then?

[ShaunWhite]

If you want to bet £0.09p at 1000 bet angel will put in 2 bets betA £2 at 1000 BetB £0.09 at 1000 if there`s more than £2 laying 1000 both bets will be matched

This hasn't been necessary for years. Minumim stakes are restricted by the minimum payout for your currency. You can lay 1p at 1000 or back 1p at 200 in one transaction.

https://docs.developer.betfair.com/disp ... /Liability

[Euler]

Betfair changed that due to abuse though.

[ShaunWhite]

It's my understanding that they cracked down on the abuse but the functionality is still there because the 2 bet method is unnecessary load.

In fact in relation to the place/amend method, 2 days ago KG posted... "It’s definitely not appreciated if you’re just adding load to the system for minimal beneficial activity. if you’re betting at bigger prices probably the best approach is to use the betTargetType order type (which has only been available the last few years, so may not be as in the public conscience)“

Clearly some sort of clarification is required if you and I have a different view on this... . Could it be that it's fine for bespoke software but they don't sanction it in a commercial product?

[Derek27]

I've always assumed you can place sub £2 bets over the API but not on the website, I'm sure you can't lay 1p at 1000 on the website?

[goat68]

I've always assumed you can place sub £2 bets over the API but not on the website, I'm sure you can't lay 1p at 1000 on the website?

When using Limit orders there is a minimum £10 Back payout or Lay Liability, so all these are fine:
Back £0.1 @101
Back £1 @ 11
Lay £0.1 @ 101
Lay £1 @ 11

[ShaunWhite]

This explains why the stake can be smaller on a single transaction, but I can see why you also need the 2stage method if you need to go smaller still.

Frankly I don't go lower than 2quid bets anyway so I'll stop stickybeaking