Betangel for pre race?

[Georget79]

Hello all,

I'm new here and for a while I've been using geeks toy to try trade pre race, but yet to become profitable.

I might give betangel a try but wondered what, of any, advantages there are of using betangel to trade pre race over geeks toy?

Is it simply a case of some people find different platforms easier to use, or are there some real advantages anyone can think of that could help someone improve using betangel?

Many thanks

[ODPaul82]

I used GT many years ago and found it childish, for example sounds from the simpsons used for the countdown.

For me I'm mostly tennis so won't cover the extra benefits for BA but the horse racing bits pre-off the charting capabilities & the automation are exceptional. However it has been a long time since I used GT

Why don't you do a free trial or have a view of the BA youtube videos to see a lot of the bits of functionality in usage.

[Derek27]

I used GT when it was free and I've trialled almost every Betfair application on the market. From what I remember I didn't like the GT user interface but that was a long time ago before most software had automation.

[Euler]

Bet Angel has diverged significantly over time from other software. There are many features that you will get in Bet Angel that you don't see elsewhere.

You can only do things like this on Bet Angel - https://youtu.be/5r_-7Eedsow

But you have a lot options now, including servants, automation and a variety of specialist tools and so on...

But there is so much, the best way to experience them is to give it a try.

Bear in mind there are two versions, a simpler cut down version similar to other software, Bet Angel - Trader. Then the fully fledged version Bet Angel - Professional.

[Georget79]

Bet Angel has diverged significantly over time from other software. There are many features that you will get in Bet Angel that you don't see elsewhere.

You can only do things like this on Bet Angel - https://youtu.be/5r_-7Eedsow

But you have a lot options now, including servants, automation and a variety of specialist tools and so on...

But there is so much, the best way to experience them is to give it a try.

Bear in mind there are two versions, a simpler cut down version similar to other software, Bet Angel - Trader. Then the fully fledged version Bet Angel - Professional.

That looks interesting and helpful. I think in GT they have a market overview tool which is similar function, but I've never understood it properly.

This one seems easier to look at and understand.

[Euler]

Y, that concept was taken from Bet Angel.

The latest version of it is in this video: -

https://youtu.be/ZQTUEyNJKkY

[alexmr2]

I've used both and for simple 100% raw trading on the ladders they are similar on the surface...

But as far I know the other software hasn't been updated with new features for years (+ forum is dead) whereas BetAngel is regularly updated, with the team actively using it on a daily basis. The main advantage is that BetAngel has a lot more extra features you can add to your manual trading + the option of semi-automation and automation. In such a competitive game you really do need every advantage you can get.

I would say it's worth trying both if you are serious about trading, bear in mind that when you are used to one interface it takes a while to adjust to using another one and set it up the way you want but you can set BetAngel up to look similar to other software. I've even heard of people using other software to manually trade but having BetAngel's auto features in the background to log data, set up alerts, stop the trade going inplay etc.

It's also worth pointing out that it doesn't take long to lose the money in the markets when learning that would have paid for a whole year of BetAngel

[Georget79]

Y, that concept was taken from Bet Angel.

The latest version of it is in this video: -

https://youtu.be/ZQTUEyNJKkY

Aha, I see. And how useful is this tool, trading pre race? Is it much of an edge, or just a handy bit on the side?

I always thought in GT it was like a fancy gimmick, I never saw other traders use or mention it much when doing trade in GT.

[Georget79]

I've used both and for simple 100% raw trading on the ladders they are similar on the surface...

But as far I know the other software hasn't been updated with new features for years (+ forum is dead) whereas BetAngel is regularly updated, with the team actively using it on a daily basis. The main advantage is that BetAngel has a lot more extra features you can add to your manual trading + the option of semi-automation and automation. In such a competitive game you really do need every advantage you can get.

I would say it's worth trying both if you are serious about trading, bear in mind that when you are used to one interface it takes a while to adjust to using another one and set it up the way you want but you can set BetAngel up to look similar to other software. I've even heard of people using other software to manually trade but having BetAngel's auto features in the background to log data, set up alerts, stop the trade going inplay etc.

It's also worth pointing out that it doesn't take long to lose the money in the markets when learning that would have paid for a whole year of BetAngel

Thanks. I never knew automation could be used pre race, I thought it was just in play. Will need to look more into it.

And yeah, I should give it a try really. I won't truly know until I've tried.

[Euler]

There are lots of modications you can make, listed here: -

viewforum.php?f=62

Including one that makes Bet Angel look like your existing software.

If you are interested in the automation you can find it here: -

viewforum.php?f=43

[stratmaker10]

I thought we discussed this already

BetAngel is no better than the other options - the thing is that you need some sort of strategy to make money - the tool itself is not going to help you much otherwise.

Of course when you speak the truth people want to flame you - but its the truth.

This software or any other will lose you money if your not careful .. or will become an expensive way to put on bets.

Myself I have had all bots and was about to give up completely 12 months or so ago - but then I discovered how to build strategy and now I have built out about 140 strategies in total .. that is the sort of commitment in my opinion it takes to win money.

So yeah brush up on your excel skills - find the right product + work on the characteristics of what wins races + if I post something take notes because unlike most people I actually build proper working profitable strategy.

My specialities are Australian and NZ horse racing / Harness and Greyhound racing .. I have tried UK Horse Racing with less profits than Aust/NZ and UK Greyhounds was my least profitable -- so I did not bother going any further because it is better to put your time into the best performers not the worst.

All my betting is pre- race which is why I responded to your question - as when I came here from other products I noticed that Bet Angel had many issues that I had not encountered elsewhere - and it took me 2 days to translate strategy into Bet Angel's way of doing things.

If you qualify for a tool rebate from Betfair - claim that to cover your costs - they will just plonk it into your account if you ask them.

[Euler]

Of course when you speak the truth people want to flame you - but its the truth.

Nope, people get upset when you claim you are better than them and argue every point belligerently, even if you are wrong or have less experience than them.

If you want to be an active member of the forum. You need to play by the rules or you will not be welcome.

[Derek27]

Myself I have had all bots and was about to give up completely 12 months or so ago - but then I discovered how to build strategy and now I have built out about 140 strategies in total .. that is the sort of commitment in my opinion it takes to win money.

I totally agree with that, which is why I'm so bewildered that you expect to be given a winning strategy with the software.

I actually told you in the other thread it takes a lot of hard work. You replied by saying you could produce a two-minute video showing any idiot how to make $300 a day, which is a bit of a contradiction - it wouldn't take much commitment from the viewer?

There is no free lunch in trading or any other walk of life. I was a lazy git when I worked as a computer programmer, had too much time off sick and got the sack!

As you probably know, markets are always changing in volume, liquidity and behaviour. Bots need to be maintained and modified. Give somebody a free strategy and he won't know how to maintain it in the way he would if he developed it himself.

[stratmaker10]

yeah the thing is now I know how to do it - I could show you in 2 minutes how to do it

with all the shortcuts and to be operational

so yeah it is a different thing

Bet Angel is way harder to learn how to use than other software in my opinion and it is missing pieces that others have that benefit me .. but it is what it is you know I program a specific way and this is not designed for that really.

I have a tonne of strategy 140 -- but I do make available one specific one and this was the profit for yesterday... about $85

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I build strategy that is what I do -- not in play - not soccer - but horse racing and greyhound racing .. so I mentioned this before if I give away any tips I would be writing them down - because unlike most mine will make money.

[Derek27]

yeah the thing is now I know how to do it - I could show you in 2 minutes how to do it

with all the shortcuts and to be operational

so yeah it is a different thing

Bet Angel is way harder to learn how to use than other software in my opinion and it is missing pieces that others have that benefit me .. but it is what it is you know I program a specific way and this is not designed for that really.

I have a tonne of strategy 140 -- but I do make available one specific one and this was the profit for yesterday... about $85

daily.PNG

I build strategy that is what I do -- not in play - not soccer - but horse racing and greyhound racing .. so I mentioned this before if I give away any tips I would be writing them down - because unlike most mine will make money.

What exactly are you trying to prove, and why has your strategy only made $85 when you can easily show somebody in a 2-minute video how to make $300 a day?

And when you were taking driving lessons, did you complain to your instructor that a car is harder to learn to use than a video recorder or DVD player or did you just accept that it does the job you require so you need to learn how to use it?

Ease of use is relative to what the software can do!