Betfair Price Files historic data confusion

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mcmwh
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Hi all,

I am just looking at the historic horse racing data from

https://promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices

and I am not able to comprehend how the PPMIN and PPMAX (Minimum/Maximum price placed before the off (only bets of a payout of more than GBP100 included)) can have values that arent valid odds.

eg I can see values of PPMIN = 10.01, 10.02, etc in 0.01 increments up to 20 and beyond. How can that be possible? I am just curious as to how the number is derived, as to me it seems nonsensical.

If anyone can shed any light on this I would appreciate it!

Thanks,
Matt
Anbell
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mcmwh wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:38 am
Hi all,

I am just looking at the historic horse racing data from

https://promo.betfair.com/betfairsp/prices

and I am not able to comprehend how the PPMIN and PPMAX (Minimum/Maximum price placed before the off (only bets of a payout of more than GBP100 included)) can have values that arent valid odds.

eg I can see values of PPMIN = 10.01, 10.02, etc in 0.01 increments up to 20 and beyond. How can that be possible? I am just curious as to how the number is derived, as to me it seems nonsensical.

If anyone can shed any light on this I would appreciate it!

Thanks,
Matt
I'm just guessing but could that be SP prices?
mcmwh
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No, the BSP values are in their own column, and I understand how those are not regular odds.
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gstar1975
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mcmwh wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:24 pm
No, the BSP values are in their own column, and I understand how those are not regular odds.
This happens when there has been a Non Runner.

See example below:

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mcmwh
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Here is an example from Royal Ascot on the 14th. It was definitely a runner as it finished in 14th place, and had a PPMAX of 12.36 as can be seen in the attachment.
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mcmwh
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gstar1975 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:30 pm
mcmwh wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:24 pm
No, the BSP values are in their own column, and I understand how those are not regular odds.
This happens when there has been a Non Runner.

See example below:


Betangel Forum Non Runner odd prices example.jpg
So is that due to a reduction factor coming into play there then?
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gstar1975
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mcmwh wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:47 pm
gstar1975 wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:30 pm
mcmwh wrote:
Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:24 pm
No, the BSP values are in their own column, and I understand how those are not regular odds.
This happens when there has been a Non Runner.

See example below:


Betangel Forum Non Runner odd prices example.jpg
So is that due to a reduction factor coming into play there then?
Yes.
mcmwh
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Thanks gstar - makes sense now.
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