Hey guys I'm new to sports trading and all this I've been watching YouTube videos of Peter Webb and many others they all have very good ideas but do they all really work I'm very interested in the whole set and forgot side of things so what do you guys think the best automatic system is and how do inset it up with rules and conditions ect
Thanks in advance Brandon
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Hi Brandon, do you think its likely that people who have probably spent thousands of hours developing profitable strategies, would give them away for free on a public forum. Once their strategies get out into the open they will no longer work.Brandon98 wrote:I'm very interested in the whole set and forgot side of things so what do you guys think the best automatic system is and how do inset it up with rules and conditions ect
Trading is not an easy way to make money, there are far easier ways such as match betting if your looking for a few quid.
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Trader_Tom
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Hi there Brandon. Unfortunately there is no guide that will say "Set this up, leave it and earn money". The general rule I follow is that if it's easy and doesn't require either plenty of research/data or significant amounts of experience then it will not be a winning strategy.
There are certain eBooks on sports trading strategies out there which will tell you about common strategies such as "lay the field" etc however without working from any sort of criteria or careful selection of markets/participants then they simply will not be long term profitable. At best (or worst) you may get a nice winning streak when you start the strategy which may convince you of success but you're only really interested in a long term average.
Sports trading is great if you can dedicate the time and effort to it but if you're after a money making automation that you can switch on and come home to a profit then I'm afraid you may have to work for it.
As far as I'm aware, Dallas runs a lot of automation. Plenty of people can steer you towards strategies that will be worth investing time in researching but you're going to have to work out the details yourself
All the best,
Tom
There are certain eBooks on sports trading strategies out there which will tell you about common strategies such as "lay the field" etc however without working from any sort of criteria or careful selection of markets/participants then they simply will not be long term profitable. At best (or worst) you may get a nice winning streak when you start the strategy which may convince you of success but you're only really interested in a long term average.
Sports trading is great if you can dedicate the time and effort to it but if you're after a money making automation that you can switch on and come home to a profit then I'm afraid you may have to work for it.
As far as I'm aware, Dallas runs a lot of automation. Plenty of people can steer you towards strategies that will be worth investing time in researching but you're going to have to work out the details yourself
All the best,
Tom
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cybernet69
Brandon,
As it's nearly xmas I will give you some clues.
Football/Soccer matches
1. Place a BTL trade on 0-0 in the correct score market.
2. Place a BTL trade on Over 1.5 goals in the goals market.
Now, this is not a dead cert or ARB. But when the odds allow in both markets then the following occurs:
- You get to half-time and no goals have been scored. The odds on 1 above will have nearly halved allowing you to cover any loss on 2 above and still make a nice profit.
- A goal gets scored before half time which means 1 above is lost but the odds on 2 above have shrunk enough to cover that loss and still make a nice profit.
However, you will need to research which games to trade on. Ideally the odds on 2 above should be >= 1.4 or so. You will also need to work out what stakes to use on each.
I suggest you paper trade the above after you have researched/selected the best games.
Sit back, look at the markets, its not easy but then again you don't need to be a rocket scientist to spot certain ways of making money.
Best of luck,
As it's nearly xmas I will give you some clues.
Football/Soccer matches
1. Place a BTL trade on 0-0 in the correct score market.
2. Place a BTL trade on Over 1.5 goals in the goals market.
Now, this is not a dead cert or ARB. But when the odds allow in both markets then the following occurs:
- You get to half-time and no goals have been scored. The odds on 1 above will have nearly halved allowing you to cover any loss on 2 above and still make a nice profit.
- A goal gets scored before half time which means 1 above is lost but the odds on 2 above have shrunk enough to cover that loss and still make a nice profit.
However, you will need to research which games to trade on. Ideally the odds on 2 above should be >= 1.4 or so. You will also need to work out what stakes to use on each.
I suggest you paper trade the above after you have researched/selected the best games.
Sit back, look at the markets, its not easy but then again you don't need to be a rocket scientist to spot certain ways of making money.
Best of luck,
cyber - funnily enough, i employ a similar strategy to this using lays on two of the correct score market entries and one on the under/over 3.5 market.
as you say, game selection is critical to the success of any strategy and with the one i use, literally only 5-10% of the games in any day qualify for this approach. however, with diligent research and a strong discipline this type of strategy can be semi automated, thus freeing you from any emotional tie to trade. I'd also add that in my opinion, any strategy is only as good as the critical selection of the markets. I'd estimate market selection as being 80% of the process, the other 20% being entry and exit strategy.
as for horse racing, there are many common strategies that are in use out there, but to make anything a success, you need to get under the skin of the strategy so that you fully understand every nuance. if you don't understand the strategy, then you will be at sea when the market efficiency dynamics change and your strategy no longer works.
i'm sure the OP will get plenty of hints but am doubtful that the spice that adds flavour to the strategy will be revealed.
as you say, game selection is critical to the success of any strategy and with the one i use, literally only 5-10% of the games in any day qualify for this approach. however, with diligent research and a strong discipline this type of strategy can be semi automated, thus freeing you from any emotional tie to trade. I'd also add that in my opinion, any strategy is only as good as the critical selection of the markets. I'd estimate market selection as being 80% of the process, the other 20% being entry and exit strategy.
as for horse racing, there are many common strategies that are in use out there, but to make anything a success, you need to get under the skin of the strategy so that you fully understand every nuance. if you don't understand the strategy, then you will be at sea when the market efficiency dynamics change and your strategy no longer works.
i'm sure the OP will get plenty of hints but am doubtful that the spice that adds flavour to the strategy will be revealed.
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cybernet69
Hi Jim,jimibt wrote:cyber - funnily enough, i employ a similar strategy to this using lays on two of the correct score market entries and one on the under/over 3.5 market.
as you say, game selection is critical to the success of any strategy and with the one i use, literally only 5-10% of the games in any day qualify for this approach. however, with diligent research and a strong discipline this type of strategy can be semi automated, thus freeing you from any emotional tie to trade. I'd also add that in my opinion, any strategy is only as good as the critical selection of the markets. I'd estimate market selection as being 80% of the process, the other 20% being entry and exit strategy.
as for horse racing, there are many common strategies that are in use out there, but to make anything a success, you need to get under the skin of the strategy so that you fully understand every nuance. if you don't understand the strategy, then you will be at sea when the market efficiency dynamics change and your strategy no longer works.
i'm sure the OP will get plenty of hints but am doubtful that the spice that adds flavour to the strategy will be revealed.
Yep, game selection is key.
I have set something up on the Juventus v AC Milan game for tonight.
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cybernet69
Well spotted.jimibt wrote:cyber,
19:00 - Setubal v Tondela is one of the ones i'm looking at
Thanks mate sounds like a good strategy just one question does btl mean bet to lay? So I would place a lay bet on both markets for the same stake and the odds should be at least 1.4 correct?cybernet69 wrote:Brandon,
As it's nearly xmas I will give you some clues.
Football/Soccer matches
1. Place a BTL trade on 0-0 in the correct score market.
2. Place a BTL trade on Over 1.5 goals in the goals market.
Now, this is not a dead cert or ARB. But when the odds allow in both markets then the following occurs:
- You get to half-time and no goals have been scored. The odds on 1 above will have nearly halved allowing you to cover any loss on 2 above and still make a nice profit.
- A goal gets scored before half time which means 1 above is lost but the odds on 2 above have shrunk enough to cover that loss and still make a nice profit.
However, you will need to research which games to trade on. Ideally the odds on 2 above should be >= 1.4 or so. You will also need to work out what stakes to use on each.
I suggest you paper trade the above after you have researched/selected the best games.
Sit back, look at the markets, its not easy but then again you don't need to be a rocket scientist to spot certain ways of making money.
Best of luck,
Hey mate thanks for the reply just wondering what other two markets you lay aswell as the 3.5 and how u pick the games to bet on thanks Brandonjimibt wrote:cyber - funnily enough, i employ a similar strategy to this using lays on two of the correct score market entries and one on the under/over 3.5 market.
as you say, game selection is critical to the success of any strategy and with the one i use, literally only 5-10% of the games in any day qualify for this approach. however, with diligent research and a strong discipline this type of strategy can be semi automated, thus freeing you from any emotional tie to trade. I'd also add that in my opinion, any strategy is only as good as the critical selection of the markets. I'd estimate market selection as being 80% of the process, the other 20% being entry and exit strategy.
as for horse racing, there are many common strategies that are in use out there, but to make anything a success, you need to get under the skin of the strategy so that you fully understand every nuance. if you don't understand the strategy, then you will be at sea when the market efficiency dynamics change and your strategy no longer works.
i'm sure the OP will get plenty of hints but am doubtful that the spice that adds flavour to the strategy will be revealed.
brandon, without sounding brittle, it must surely be obvious what those two markets are. i purposefully left out the detail as i feel you will never learn anything useful if it's delivered without having gone thro the thought processes. I've spent 6-7 months figuring out a simple two liner strategy, but it is backed up with 1000's of hours of study and extensive backing data. you honestly need to go thro this process too as it will make you really think hard about the relationships between markets etc...Brandon98 wrote: Hey mate thanks for the reply just wondering what other two markets you lay aswell as the 3.5 and how u pick the games to bet on thanks Brandon
anyway, as you get ideas, feel free to drop them on this thread as i'm sure people will be more than willing to share experience on your thinking.
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cybernet69
1. BTL = Back To Lay. Meaning Back First.Brandon98 wrote:Thanks mate sounds like a good strategy just one question does btl mean bet to lay? So I would place a lay bet on both markets for the same stake and the odds should be at least 1.4 correct?cybernet69 wrote:Brandon,
As it's nearly xmas I will give you some clues.
Football/Soccer matches
1. Place a BTL trade on 0-0 in the correct score market.
2. Place a BTL trade on Over 1.5 goals in the goals market.
Now, this is not a dead cert or ARB. But when the odds allow in both markets then the following occurs:
- You get to half-time and no goals have been scored. The odds on 1 above will have nearly halved allowing you to cover any loss on 2 above and still make a nice profit.
- A goal gets scored before half time which means 1 above is lost but the odds on 2 above have shrunk enough to cover that loss and still make a nice profit.
However, you will need to research which games to trade on. Ideally the odds on 2 above should be >= 1.4 or so. You will also need to work out what stakes to use on each.
I suggest you paper trade the above after you have researched/selected the best games.
Sit back, look at the markets, its not easy but then again you don't need to be a rocket scientist to spot certain ways of making money.
Best of luck,
2. LTB = Lay to Back. Meaning Lay First.
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cybernet69
Are you for real ??????Pinnochio wrote:brandon, maybe cybernet and jimbt will post up screenshots of their profit and losses to show just how successful these wonderful strategies they're tempting you with actually are, especially as football markets are very liquid they must be coining in the readies. Or maybe like evryone else on here bragging they're full of it
Myself and Jim offered some different advice. Personally, I couldn't give a toss what people believe or don't believe.