RANT CORNER

[jamesg46]

Getting a coffee is not as important to me as being able to relieve myself on a 4.5 hr trip. But I recognise morotway costa's etc are still open. So they need machines. Much as i don'tunderstand why the concept of a thermos flask has drifted into obscurity. And yes I could pee into a thermos.

The point was, nobody will recognise what you do other than you, selfhiness and prosperity go hand in hand. Everyone else is surving while you're trying to save them is ridiculous, I guarantee you'll end up under a bus by someone who's exploiting a free fare.

And I guarantee if you should end up under a bus (which I sincerely hope doesn't happen for the selfish reason of reading your posts) it will contain someone who is a hardworking person that may be or may one day be a Magistrate, Doctor, Nurse or other worthy and vital citizen.

The hypocracy of it all stinks, we will happily watch 11 footballers kick a bag of air around a field for our own entertainment but we would be outraged if we saw them enjoying the same company in one of their homes. 100 factory workers can spend 8 hours a day together but 2 of them can't enjoy an hour of each others time outside of that factory.

[spreadbetting]

There's quite a difference between a football team ,who are continuously tested, kicking a football in a big field compared to a load of blokes squeezed into an enclosed room. And those factory workers are supposed to be working in a covid safe environment.

They'll always be quirks with any lockdown rules but if you fail to see the bigger picture there really is little help for you ,James.

[jamesg46]

There's quite a difference between a football team ,who are continuously tested, kicking a football in a big field compared to a load of blokes squeezed into an enclosed room. And those factory workers are supposed to be working in a covid safe environment.

They'll always be quirks with any lockdown rules but if you fail to see the bigger picture there really is little help for you ,James.

Do they not squeeze into little locker rooms, or eat in the same canteens? If they're continually tested and can do those things why can't they socialise outside of that environment? Sorry but I dont care if you think there is no hope for me... im at the point where I dont see any hope in this situation anyway so whether you see it or not is irrelevant.

[spreadbetting]

...If they're continually tested and can do those things why can't they socialise outside of that environment? ...

Because then the majority of untested people with blinkered vision like yourself, think if they're doing it why can't I. You need to look at the bigger picture not zoom in on the odd quirk in the rules. You'll always find anomalies if you look hard enough, I might not agree with a lot of the rules but they are there for a reason not to stop you going to a few Katie Hopkins or Timmy Robinson rallies.

[jamesg46]

...If they're continually tested and can do those things why can't they socialise outside of that environment? ...

Because then the majority of untested people with blinkered vision like yourself, think if they're doing it why can't I. You need to look at the bigger picture not zoom in on the odd quirk in the rules. You'll always find anomalies if you look hard enough, I might not agree with a lot of the rules but they are there for a reason not to stop you going to a few Katie Hopkins or Timmy Robinson rallies.

I dont need to do anything, just because you or whoever says i do. This "big picture" is like a jigsaw puzzle full of pieces that don't fit, I'd rather not waste my time trying to make them. You don't agree with a lot of the rules but you follow them, sounds like a pointless exercise, especially when most people aren't following them.... ill leave it there because there is not a chance this will end in agreement, its just another waste of time.

[Archery1969]

Went out to get some milk, walked passed launderette, 12 people in there, no masks, door closed.

I guess you can’t help some people. Muppets.

[MAGTRADEUK]

Went out to get some milk, walked passed launderette, 12 people in there, no masks, door closed.

I guess you can’t help some people. Muppets.

Was it a Chinese laundry ....

[greenmark]

Went out to get some milk, walked passed launderette, 12 people in there, no masks, door closed.

I guess you can’t help some people. Muppets.

Launderette customers are a minority. It's down the rest of us to observe the advice/laws. Those launderette customers, and also key workers (which i believe includes teachers and shopworkers, unlike the welsh govt) have no choice. The rest of us do. So we should make the right choice. Every time we breach the advice we have blood on our hands.
Simple.

[Archery1969]

Went out to get some milk, walked passed launderette, 12 people in there, no masks, door closed.

I guess you can’t help some people. Muppets.

Launderette customers are a minority. It's down the rest of us to observe the advice/laws. Those launderette customers, and also key workers (which i believe includes teachers and shopworkers, unlike the welsh govt) have no choice. The rest of us do. So we should make the right choice. Every time we breach the advice we have blood on our hands.
Simple.

My main point was not that there using a launderette but that none of them had a mask on or observing social distancing.

[greenmark]

Went out to get some milk, walked passed launderette, 12 people in there, no masks, door closed.

I guess you can’t help some people. Muppets.

Launderette customers are a minority. It's down the rest of us to observe the advice/laws. Those launderette customers, and also key workers (which i believe includes teachers and shopworkers, unlike the welsh govt) have no choice. The rest of us do. So we should make the right choice. Every time we breach the advice we have blood on our hands.
Simple.

My main point was not that there using a launderette but that none of them had a mask on or observing social distancing.

Yes, i got that. I just thought it was worth emphasising the role that people who have choices have to play.
I could witter on about breaches I see every day, don't even start me on how uncomfortable I feel in supermarkets right now with people getting too close, but I think we should all stick to the script till this over. Not doing so just extends it. It's a tiny incrmenental effect for each person. It's the collective impact that matters. Our adversory is an evolutionary phenomenon that doesn't give two hoots about loss of socialising or economic impacts.

[jamesg46]

Launderette customers are a minority. It's down the rest of us to observe the advice/laws. Those launderette customers, and also key workers (which i believe includes teachers and shopworkers, unlike the welsh govt) have no choice. The rest of us do. So we should make the right choice. Every time we breach the advice we have blood on our hands.
Simple.

My main point was not that there using a launderette but that none of them had a mask on or observing social distancing.

Yes, i got that. I just thought it was worth emphasising the role that people who have choices have to play.
I could witter on about breaches I see every day, don't even start me on how uncomfortable I feel in supermarkets right now with people getting too close, but I think we should all stick to the script till this over. Not doing so just extends it. It's a tiny incrmenental effect for each person. It's the collective impact that matters. Our adversory is an evolutionary phenomenon that doesn't give two hoots about loss of socialising or economic impacts.

Until this is over? The slogan is "The new normal" the slogans offer a sense of direction we saw that in the elections. I'd be shocked if we ever got back to the old normal, at this point I feel that is a fantasy.

[Trader Pat]

With or without vaccines or lockdowns the virus will run its course eventually and disappear so things will return to normal at some point.

The Spanish Flu killed millions and spread unchecked but only lasted a couple of years.

[Derek27]

...but I think we should all stick to the script till this over.

Sticking to the script means doing whatever you want and claiming you're testing your eyes! It has been confirmed by the prime minister himself that by doing this you're doing absolutely nothing wrong. An alternative interpretation is, the advice is contradictory as he claimed you should stay at home but conversely claims there is not one rule for us and another rule for Cummings so you can take your pick!

My approach to social distancing is simple, don't meet people unless it's necessary, reasonable and justifiable after considering the alternatives. But it's my decision, not BJ's.

[jamesg46]

...but I think we should all stick to the script till this over.

Sticking to the script means doing whatever you want and claiming you're testing your eyes! It has been confirmed by the prime minister himself that by doing this you're doing absolutely nothing wrong. An alternative interpretation is, the advice is contradictory as he claimed you should stay at home but conversely claims there is not one rule for us and another rule for Cummings so you can take your pick!

My approach to social distancing is simple, don't meet people unless it's necessary, reasonable and justifiable after considering the alternatives. But it's my decision, not BJ's.

It goes like this,

You're safe to do this but don't do that... we will do that though while you're doing this. Going to work is safe for thee but not for me.

[Derek27]

...but I think we should all stick to the script till this over.

Sticking to the script means doing whatever you want and claiming you're testing your eyes! It has been confirmed by the prime minister himself that by doing this you're doing absolutely nothing wrong. An alternative interpretation is, the advice is contradictory as he claimed you should stay at home but conversely claims there is not one rule for us and another rule for Cummings so you can take your pick!

My approach to social distancing is simple, don't meet people unless it's necessary, reasonable and justifiable after considering the alternatives. But it's my decision, not BJ's.

It goes like this,

You're safe to do this but don't do that... we will do that though while you're doing this. Going to work is safe for thee but not for me.

That goes along with my logic, what's necessary, reasonable and justifiable after considering the alternatives.

When you hear the advice, brush your teeth for 5 minutes, wash your hands for 20 seconds, don't meet in groups of more than 6; that's advice for the lowest common denominator. Intelligent people don't need a stopwatch to brush their teeth or wash their hands. 6 is a stupid limit. It might be necessary for 7 to meet, conversely, it might be unjustifiable for 3 people to meet.

You can now buy toothbrushes with timers on them to tell you when your teeth is clean - you don't even have to put it in your mouth and your teeth will be clean after 5 minutes.

Wash your hands for 20 seconds is particularly stupid advice. When I've been skinning chicken legs I wash my hands for at least a minute. Now they're telling me I'm too hygienic and have to reduce my level of handwashing!