Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Derek27]

Remember what Peter said here, which is the mistake you're making.

I'm constantly fascinated by way people feel there is a need to be right or wrong. It's probably the biggest mistake I see in the markets. People make a decision then try and find facts to fit that view.

I sit back look at the facts and try and make a decision.

I wouldn't like to shop at your supermarket. Walking past a 100 people in 10 minutes is one person every 6 seconds. If you're keeping 2 metres away you're not really walking past but avoiding them. Furthermore, walking past somebody isn't that risky. The risk is standing in close proximity for several minutes.

I agree that risks and rewards need to be weighed up rather than a binary decision, that's why I'm always looking at the numbers and thinking hmmmm only 0.01% of under 60s with no health issues have died 10 months later so maybe let society get on with it whilst the vulnerable shield and that will minimise the overall deaths/destruction compared to all the bad knock-on suffering to the vast majority + kids through lockdowns.

Whilst the vulnerable shield. That could be 99.99% of the population! You said it yourself, that's the percentage of vulnerable people dying. You're overlooking the fact that it's not normal for people with minor health problems to suddenly drop dead. I have high blood pressure but I don't expect to be dying any time soon. I think you're also overlooking how common health problems are. For people over the age of 40 minor health problems will be quite common.

You're also selfish enough to not care about all the elderly people who have to go to the shops to get food, while healthy people would be happily spreading the virus that may kill that elderly person. Not everybody has someone to do their shopping.

In the supermarkets what about all the people sharing touch screens, debit card reader pin pads, shopping basket/trolley handles? That's a lot of potential for spreading viruses

WTF are you talking about?? You said the virus doesn't exist!!

[alexmr2]

Remember what Peter said here, which is the mistake you're making.


I wouldn't like to shop at your supermarket. Walking past a 100 people in 10 minutes is one person every 6 seconds. If you're keeping 2 metres away you're not really walking past but avoiding them. Furthermore, walking past somebody isn't that risky. The risk is standing in close proximity for several minutes.

I agree that risks and rewards need to be weighed up rather than a binary decision, that's why I'm always looking at the numbers and thinking hmmmm only 0.01% of under 60s with no health issues have died 10 months later so maybe let society get on with it whilst the vulnerable shield and that will minimise the overall deaths/destruction compared to all the bad knock-on suffering to the vast majority + kids through lockdowns.

Whilst the vulnerable shield. That could be 99.99% of the population! You said it yourself, that's the percentage of vulnerable people dying. You're overlooking the fact that it's not normal for people with minor health problems to suddenly drop dead. I have high blood pressure but I don't expect to be dying any time soon. I think you're also overlooking how common health problems are. For people over the age of 40 minor health problems will be quite common.

In the supermarkets what about all the people sharing touch screens, debit card reader pin pads, shopping basket/trolley handles? That's a lot of potential for spreading viruses

WTF are you talking about?? You said the virus doesn't exist!!

I never said it doesn't exist I had symptoms, but if it wasn't on the news I would just think a slightly bad flu is to be expected every now and then. The overreaction is an availability cascade which is so extreme that there has to be something more to it, like power and money

[Derek27]

I never said it doesn't exist I had symptoms, but if it wasn't on the news I would just think a slightly bad flu is to be expected every now and then. The overreaction is an availability cascade which is so unbalanced and extreme that there has to be something more to it, like power and money

You did!

I think that most traders on here are pretending that the virus is real...

I've noticed on another post you said the virus is real. Perhaps you're confused about what you think or change your mind to suit yourself?

If you accept that the virus is real and exists you can't argue that all these mysterious deaths don't have the virus as they've tested positive for it. People who have suffered badly from it generally say it's far worse than the flu. Then you have long covid symptoms, apparently permanent loss of taste and smell, people unable to walk far, does the flu do that?

[alexmr2]

Unfortunately it seems any rational discussion isn't possible, it's just a circular argument of emotions, sentimental hearsay and opinions from one extreme or the other. In reality the answer is probably somewhere in the middle and DOES revolve around money/power more than saving lives.

Traders more than anyone else should know that solid numbers should be the biggest factor when deciding an opinion. You don't have to look far to see that historically excess deaths aren't anything unusual in any country regardless of whether they adopted restrictions or not.

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[TraderFred]

I fear you have your work cut out here, Derek!

Just wish Alex would put all his data and research skills to some good use and study the betfair markets instead.

Come on Alex, if you want to be a trader, do some proper research. You can’t live on £8 per month.

[jamesg46]

I fear you have your work cut out here, Derek!

Just wish Alex would put all his data and research skills to some good use and study the betfair markets instead.

Come on Alex, if you want to be a trader, do some proper research. You can’t live on £8 per month.

That's not entirely true, if he wants to be a trader all he has to do is create an Avatar of himself like TraderAlex... instantly qualifies.

On a serious note, nice to see you got over the secret society theory/tantrum and came back. It just wasn't the same place while everyone was grieving the loss.

[TraderFred]

I fear you have your work cut out here, Derek!

Just wish Alex would put all his data and research skills to some good use and study the betfair markets instead.

Come on Alex, if you want to be a trader, do some proper research. You can’t live on £8 per month.

That's not entirely true, if he wants to be a trader all he has to do is create an Avatar of himself like TraderAlex... instantly qualifies.

On a serious note, nice to see you got over the secret society theory/tantrum and came back. It just wasn't the same place while everyone was grieving the loss.

It’s not official until Jeff tells you to close the door on your way out.

Nobody will miss me, James. I’m just a prick who makes snide comments, mostly for his own amusement. I add little else to the forum.

When you decide to go though, when the “people” lose their leader, that will be a sad day. Day of mourning will be required.

[jamesg46]

I fear you have your work cut out here, Derek!

Just wish Alex would put all his data and research skills to some good use and study the betfair markets instead.

Come on Alex, if you want to be a trader, do some proper research. You can’t live on £8 per month.

That's not entirely true, if he wants to be a trader all he has to do is create an Avatar of himself like TraderAlex... instantly qualifies.

On a serious note, nice to see you got over the secret society theory/tantrum and came back. It just wasn't the same place while everyone was grieving the loss.

It’s not official until Jeff tells you to close the door on your way out.

Nobody will miss me, James. I’m just a prick who makes snide comments, mostly for his own amusement. I add little else to the forum.

When you decide to go though, when the “people” lose their leader, that will be a sad day. Day of mourning will be required.

I'm very humbled of your perception but the almighty one left yesterday and I'm no more important than yourself in my own opinion. Although when I do leave I won't bother making a series about it.

[TraderFred]

Oh but you are James, you have led the “people” to their freedoms. You are the one they look up to, if they have a problem, it is you they look to to solve it.

You are the forum Sheriff, here to clean up the BetAngel forum. Here to drain the swamp. I’m sure you will be very successful too, though let’s hope you don’t lose them too many paying customers though as well as forum members.


Don’t worry about me, I’ll still be around. How the hell am I meant to know what is going on in the horse racing markets without reading your insight first?

[jamesg46]

Oh but you are James, you have led the “people” to their freedoms. You are the one they look up to, if they have a problem, it is you they look to to solve it.

You are the forum Sheriff, here to clean up the BetAngel forum. Here to drain the swamp. I’m sure you will be very successful too, though let’s hope you don’t lose them too many paying customers though as well as forum members.


Don’t worry about me, I’ll still be around. How the hell am I meant to know what is going on in the horse racing markets without reading your insight first?

"lose them paying customers" do you really think for a second that people would choose not to use the best software on the market that eases their trading experience over some guy on a forum. I'm sure there is good old saying... something like cutting your own nose off to spite...

I like your little tint of political scorn in there, nice touch, I should give that a go sometime. Although judging by the reactions I get on the forum and my actions, I'm far from or inspire to be some great leader. I haven't even got round to starting one of them dodgy YouTube channels for my guru talks yet.

Finally, don't worry, I won't worry about you... although considering you're a trader by name/avatar it would be nice to see your insight/wisdom considering your emphasis on helping newbies.

[TraderFred]

Oh but you are James, you have led the “people” to their freedoms. You are the one they look up to, if they have a problem, it is you they look to to solve it.

You are the forum Sheriff, here to clean up the BetAngel forum. Here to drain the swamp. I’m sure you will be very successful too, though let’s hope you don’t lose them too many paying customers though as well as forum members.


Don’t worry about me, I’ll still be around. How the hell am I meant to know what is going on in the horse racing markets without reading your insight first?

"lose them paying customers" do you really think for a second that people would choose not to use the best software on the market that eases their trading experience over some guy on a forum. I'm sure there is good old saying... something like cutting your own nose off to spite...

I like your little tint of political scorn in there, nice touch, I should give that a go sometime. Although judging by the reactions I get on the forum and my actions, I'm far from or inspire to be some great leader. I haven't even got round to starting one of them dodgy YouTube channels for my guru talks yet.

Finally, don't worry, I won't worry about you... although considering you're a trader by name/avatar it would be nice to see your insight/wisdom considering your emphasis on helping newbies.

They will leave if the Sherriff chases them out of town, why would they carry on paying ?! Maybe you have been bought in to do just that? I don’t know who you are ? You could be staff for all I know? You certainly act as if you have some sort of authority.

I’ve helped in the past where I can, though no one can learn anything off a snidey prick, whether he puts Trader in front of his name or not.

Though you are here now James with your trading insights, and your Sheriffs badge , why would the “people” need help or advice from anyone else, when they have you ?

The people’s champion.

[jamesg46]

Oh but you are James, you have led the “people” to their freedoms. You are the one they look up to, if they have a problem, it is you they look to to solve it.

You are the forum Sheriff, here to clean up the BetAngel forum. Here to drain the swamp. I’m sure you will be very successful too, though let’s hope you don’t lose them too many paying customers though as well as forum members.


Don’t worry about me, I’ll still be around. How the hell am I meant to know what is going on in the horse racing markets without reading your insight first?

"lose them paying customers" do you really think for a second that people would choose not to use the best software on the market that eases their trading experience over some guy on a forum. I'm sure there is good old saying... something like cutting your own nose off to spite...

I like your little tint of political scorn in there, nice touch, I should give that a go sometime. Although judging by the reactions I get on the forum and my actions, I'm far from or inspire to be some great leader. I haven't even got round to starting one of them dodgy YouTube channels for my guru talks yet.

Finally, don't worry, I won't worry about you... although considering you're a trader by name/avatar it would be nice to see your insight/wisdom considering your emphasis on helping newbies.

They will leave if the Sherriff chases them out of town, why would they carry on paying ?! Maybe you have been bought in to do just that? I don’t know who you are ? You could be staff for all I know? You certainly act as if you have some sort of authority.

I’ve helped in the past where I can, though no one can learn anything off a snidey prick, whether he puts Trader in front of his name or not.

Though you are here now James with your trading insights, and your Sheriffs badge , why would the “people” need help or advice from anyone else, when they have you ?

The people’s champion.

You're bordering madness now from secret societys to being brought in to implode Bet Angel from some sort of inside job

[jamesg46]

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[TraderFred]

"lose them paying customers" do you really think for a second that people would choose not to use the best software on the market that eases their trading experience over some guy on a forum. I'm sure there is good old saying... something like cutting your own nose off to spite...

I like your little tint of political scorn in there, nice touch, I should give that a go sometime. Although judging by the reactions I get on the forum and my actions, I'm far from or inspire to be some great leader. I haven't even got round to starting one of them dodgy YouTube channels for my guru talks yet.

Finally, don't worry, I won't worry about you... although considering you're a trader by name/avatar it would be nice to see your insight/wisdom considering your emphasis on helping newbies.

They will leave if the Sherriff chases them out of town, why would they carry on paying ?! Maybe you have been bought in to do just that? I don’t know who you are ? You could be staff for all I know? You certainly act as if you have some sort of authority.

I’ve helped in the past where I can, though no one can learn anything off a snidey prick, whether he puts Trader in front of his name or not.

Though you are here now James with your trading insights, and your Sheriffs badge , why would the “people” need help or advice from anyone else, when they have you ?

The people’s champion.

You're bordering madness now from secret societys to being brought in to implode Bet Angel from some sort of inside job

They are conspiracy theories , James. I don’t believe them, I just find them fascinating.

I’m sure there is another explanation, though you do seem to be the forum Sheriff and voice of the people. Can sort of see how people are making the link. I don’t believe it though, just thought it was interesting.

Anyway, will leave you to carry on with your forum member/ paying customer purge. Can’t be many left now until you get a pure forum .

[jamesg46]

They will leave if the Sherriff chases them out of town, why would they carry on paying ?! Maybe you have been bought in to do just that? I don’t know who you are ? You could be staff for all I know? You certainly act as if you have some sort of authority.

I’ve helped in the past where I can, though no one can learn anything off a snidey prick, whether he puts Trader in front of his name or not.

Though you are here now James with your trading insights, and your Sheriffs badge , why would the “people” need help or advice from anyone else, when they have you ?

The people’s champion.

You're bordering madness now from secret societys to being brought in to implode Bet Angel from some sort of inside job

They are conspiracy theories , James. I don’t believe them, I just find them fascinating.

I’m sure there is another explanation, though you do seem to be the forum Sheriff and voice of the people. Can sort of see how people are making the link. I don’t believe it though, just thought it was interesting.

Anyway, will leave you to carry on with your forum member/ paying customer purge. Can’t be many left now until you get a pure forum .

There is a huge difference between repeating conspiracy theories and exploring them to making them up yourself. One is being fascinated, the other paranoid.

Yes, I'll carry on my purge... I am the only person to contradict others. You must of missed the times where others shouted people down with "are you stupid" or references to being a Nazi. I guess there is a few Sheriffs in town employed to do an inside job on the forum.

Good day TraderFred.