'The most restrictive non‐pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID‐19 are mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs).
We find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country.
While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.'
Stamford University research paper - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484
But you carry on making sarcastic, pointless remarks about David Icke, Fred. You really enhance the forum with your wit, charm and erudition.
Jeff
Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer
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Speaking with a handful of people who happen to believe the same things you believe don't make you well informed, with greatest respect.
Derek27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:38 amI've spoken to carers at my mother's care home about the crisis and how they're struggling in their other care homes so I know what's going on, and I've heard from a nurse about the situation at my local hospital. You seem to think that our only interaction with society is though mainstream and social media - we all have friends who are real people!
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I would argue with you Jeff, though I fear that I will be on the receiving end of yet another expletive-laden angry private message. I am only just getting over yesterday’s.
I will instead concede defeat. You have read a paper, so you must be right. Lockdown should clearly be ended and crowds and normality resumed. I’m sure the hospitals will cope just fine. They’re only pretending to be busy anyway.
I will instead concede defeat. You have read a paper, so you must be right. Lockdown should clearly be ended and crowds and normality resumed. I’m sure the hospitals will cope just fine. They’re only pretending to be busy anyway.
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Top tip: If you call someone a 'serial loser' (whether in real life or online), it's likely to provoke a reaction.
If you don't like the reaction, don't be a d***. Simples!
If you don't like the reaction, don't be a d***. Simples!
TraderFred wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:25 amI would argue with you Jeff, though I fear that I will be on the receiving end of yet another expletive-laden angry private message. I am only just getting over yesterday’s.
Quite a meaningless statement unless they define what more restrictive means!SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:43 am'The most restrictive non‐pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) for controlling the spread of COVID‐19 are mandatory stay‐at‐home and business closures. Given the consequences of these policies, it is important to assess their effects. We evaluate the effects on epidemic case growth of more restrictive NPIs (mrNPIs), above and beyond those of less restrictive NPIs (lrNPIs).
We find no clear, significant beneficial effect of mrNPIs on case growth in any country.
While small benefits cannot be excluded, we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.'
Stamford University research paper - https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484
But you carry on making sarcastic, pointless remarks about David Icke, Fred. You really enhance the forum with your wit, charm and erudition.
Jeff
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I'm not talking about people who believe what I believe but people who actually work in care and NHS and see first hand what's going on, as opposed to living in fantasy land and guessing that everything's a conspiracy!SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:55 amSpeaking with a handful of people who happen to believe the same things you believe don't make you well informed, with greatest respect.Derek27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:38 amI've spoken to carers at my mother's care home about the crisis and how they're struggling in their other care homes so I know what's going on, and I've heard from a nurse about the situation at my local hospital. You seem to think that our only interaction with society is though mainstream and social media - we all have friends who are real people!
You have the same attitude as Alex in that it's all about what you believe rather than what you see or have evidence/reason to believe.
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Straw man argument.
I have been very clear that I believe that Covid is real.
But if painting people who disagree with you as being crazy conspiracy theorists who believe in the lizard people and who think that we are living in the Matrix, hey, whatever makes you feel good.
I have been very clear that I believe that Covid is real.
But if painting people who disagree with you as being crazy conspiracy theorists who believe in the lizard people and who think that we are living in the Matrix, hey, whatever makes you feel good.
Derek27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:19 amI'm not talking about people who believe what I believe but people who actually work in care and NHS and see first hand what's going on, as opposed to living in fantasy land and guessing that everything's a conspiracy!
You have the same attitude as Alex in that it's all about what you believe rather than what you see or have evidence/reason to believe.
I was referring to your post, not the paper. Do you seriously expect me to read every scientific report posted to this forum? I shouldn't even be on this forum, I should be trading. But if that's a summary of the report it's quite a poor one.SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 amSo you've read the paper, and they don't define their terms anywhere?
Wow! That's not what I would have expected from one of the world's top universities.
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I will defer to your superior academic expertise on the quality of the abstract (although when I did my MSc, I'm pretty sure that I was told that I didn't need to get bogged down in definitions in my abstract).
It's a shame the professors didn't consult you before publishing their paper.
It's a shame the professors didn't consult you before publishing their paper.
I didn't say you didn't - I said you think "it's all about what you believe rather than what you see or have evidence/reason to believe", which is why you misunderstood my post.SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:21 amStraw man argument.
I have been very clear that I believe that Covid is real.
But if painting people who disagree with you as being crazy conspiracy theorists who believe in the lizard people and who think that we are living in the Matrix, hey, whatever makes you feel good.Derek27 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:19 amI'm not talking about people who believe what I believe but people who actually work in care and NHS and see first hand what's going on, as opposed to living in fantasy land and guessing that everything's a conspiracy!
You have the same attitude as Alex in that it's all about what you believe rather than what you see or have evidence/reason to believe.
People who believe the vaccine contains a mind-controlling microchip designed by Bill Gates are crazy, end off!
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Yes, but that's hardly relevant to this discussion, as no-one here believes that's what's happening (correct me if I'm wrong).
However, there are Covid sceptics in the forum - people who look at the official narratives with a critical eye, without denying that Covid is real - and I count myself amongst them.
However, there are Covid sceptics in the forum - people who look at the official narratives with a critical eye, without denying that Covid is real - and I count myself amongst them.
It doesn't take any academic expertise to say something is meaningless. I'm sure you've encountered the odd university research project costing £10K only to find something blindingly obvious, like people who eat at McDonald's are overweight. Sometimes you need to rely on common sense rather than research. Do you really need a scientific paper to tell you staying at home reduces the risk of catching/spreading the virus?SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:26 amI will defer to your superior academic expertise on the quality of the abstract (although when I did my MSc, I'm pretty sure that I was told that I didn't need to get bogged down in definitions in my abstract).
It's a shame the professors didn't consult you before publishing their paper.
I certainly will correct you for being wrong - Alex does!SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:32 amYes, but that's hardly relevant to this discussion, as no-one here believes that's what's happening (correct me if I'm wrong).
However, there are Covid sceptics in the forum - people who look at the official narratives with a critical eye, without denying that Covid is real - and I count myself amongst them.
alexmr2 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:30 pmI think that most traders on here are pretending that the virus is real and the vaccine is a good thing in hope that other traders take it, so that when Bill Gates flicks a switch on his control panel they then have a bigger share of the market whilst those vaccinated big players have been mind controlled into mining lithium for electric car batteries instead
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I think that, as so often happens in the markets, it's easy to assume something to be the case, only to apply empirical testing and find out that your assumptions are wrong.
If you think that you are any less subject to cognitive biases than us sceptics, you are kidding yourself.
Jeff