Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[sniffer66]

Call me dumb but wouldn't it have been simpler to arrest them at the time of the offence ? Or do we not do that now ?

They don't do that anymore because the 'mob' rules. The current thinking is that to arrest them at the scene will incite more thuggery and is to be avoided.

So, the police just give out the message that the mob can do wtf they like and you'll only be arrested if they can find you afterwards ?

And the deterrent in that would be ??

[firlandsfarm]

So, the police just give out the message that the mob can do wtf they like and you'll only be arrested if they can find you afterwards ?

And the deterrent in that would be ??

There is no deterrent except if you are unlucky enough to get a hand on your shoulder later if identified and traced (and knowing that, they mostly wear face coverings). To me the wearing of a face mask at a gathering is clear evidence of intent to break the law … a defence of "I didn't want to get my face sunburnt" wouldn't work with me in the jury!

I expect the police would have a line drawn somewhere possibly where the immediate crimes are worse than the escalation caused by their intervention. This is not gospel sniffer, it's just my take on snippets picked up in news reports and police interviews. I may be completely wrong but it does fit the evidence. I think it's totally unacceptable.

[Derek27]

Did the police have the manpower to stop them? Off memory, I don't remember seeing many police around when the statue was pulled down.

[firlandsfarm]

You are probably right Derek but that in itself is a poor show. The police know where these demonstrations are being held and should call up support from other areas/forces. I bet if it was to be a right wing demonstration they would be there in force!

[Archery1969]

You are probably right Derek but that in itself is a poor show. The police know where these demonstrations are being held and should call up support from other areas/forces. I bet if it was to be a right wing demonstration they would be there in force!

We have around 82,000 soldiers minus 30% currently on active deployment available to help out. Obviously not carrying an SA80 or bayonet.

[spreadbetting]

Maybe we should ask Betfair to put up a market for the next statue to topple

[Derek27]

You are probably right Derek but that in itself is a poor show. The police know where these demonstrations are being held and should call up support from other areas/forces. I bet if it was to be a right wing demonstration they would be there in force!

We have around 82,000 soldiers minus 30% currently on active deployment available to help out. Obviously not carrying an SA80 or bayonet.

Leave out the SA80s but the bayonets could be used effectively.

[Archery1969]

You are probably right Derek but that in itself is a poor show. The police know where these demonstrations are being held and should call up support from other areas/forces. I bet if it was to be a right wing demonstration they would be there in force!

We have around 82,000 soldiers minus 30% currently on active deployment available to help out. Obviously not carrying an SA80 or bayonet.

Leave out the SA80s but the bayonets could be used effectively.

No need for state violence Derek.

[firlandsfarm]

We have around 82,000 soldiers minus 30% currently on active deployment available to help out. Obviously not carrying an SA80 or bayonet.

I agree Archery but the sensationalist media would have a field day with "Army on the streets of Britain"!

[firlandsfarm]

Maybe we should ask Betfair to put up a market for the next statue to topple

I would lay Nelson!

[Archery1969]

We have around 82,000 soldiers minus 30% currently on active deployment available to help out. Obviously not carrying an SA80 or bayonet.

I agree Archery but the sensationalist media would have a field day with "Army on the streets of Britain"!

Certain units of the Army are deployed in plain clothes and under the command of the Met Police. Although there not really there for mob/crowd control.

A bit of history.....

There was allot of speculation back in 2005 over the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting on a tube train. Turns out he was totally innocent.

- At the time, Professor Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence Studies at King's College London, went as far as to say that unless there had been a major change in policy it was likely that it was not the police who had carried out the shooting, but special forces:

- On 4 August 2005, The Guardian reported that the newly created Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), a special forces unit specialising in covert surveillance, were involved in the operation that led to the shooting.

- An anonymous Whitehall source who provided the story stressed that the SRR were involved only in intelligence gathering, and that Menezes was shot by armed police not by members of the SRR or other soldiers.

- Defence sources would not comment on speculation that SRR soldiers were among the plainclothes officers who followed Menezes onto the No. 2 bus.

- On 21 August, the Sunday Herald reported that SRR men are believed to have been in the tube train when the shooting occurred.

There was also allot of discussion at the time about what type of bullets were used as his body was unrecognisable.

No Police Officer or Soldier (If they were there) on the tube train as ever been charged and/or prosecuted.

They were given an order and followed it.

[to75ne]

We have around 82,000 soldiers minus 30% currently on active deployment available to help out. Obviously not carrying an SA80 or bayonet.

I agree Archery but the sensationalist media would have a field day with "Army on the streets of Britain"!

Certain units of the Army are deployed in plain clothes and under the command of the Met Police. Although there not really there for mob/crowd control.

A bit of history.....

There was allot of speculation back in 2005 over the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting on a tube train. Turns out he was totally innocent.

- At the time, Professor Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence Studies at King's College London, went as far as to say that unless there had been a major change in policy it was likely that it was not the police who had carried out the shooting, but special forces:

- On 4 August 2005, The Guardian reported that the newly created Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), a special forces unit specialising in covert surveillance, were involved in the operation that led to the shooting.

- An anonymous Whitehall source who provided the story stressed that the SRR were involved only in intelligence gathering, and that Menezes was shot by armed police not by members of the SRR or other soldiers.

- Defence sources would not comment on speculation that SRR soldiers were among the plainclothes officers who followed Menezes onto the No. 2 bus.

- On 21 August, the Sunday Herald reported that SRR men are believed to have been in the tube train when the shooting occurred.

There was also allot of discussion at the time about what type of bullets were used as his body was unrecognisable.

No Police Officer or Soldier (If they were there) on the tube train as ever been charged and/or prosecuted.

They were given an order and followed it.

lets hope they dont have to use them often. They killed an innocent - not a good advert for their intelligence gathering ability which would appear to be hopeless.

[Archery1969]

I agree Archery but the sensationalist media would have a field day with "Army on the streets of Britain"!

Certain units of the Army are deployed in plain clothes and under the command of the Met Police. Although there not really there for mob/crowd control.

A bit of history.....

There was allot of speculation back in 2005 over the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting on a tube train. Turns out he was totally innocent.

- At the time, Professor Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence Studies at King's College London, went as far as to say that unless there had been a major change in policy it was likely that it was not the police who had carried out the shooting, but special forces:

- On 4 August 2005, The Guardian reported that the newly created Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), a special forces unit specialising in covert surveillance, were involved in the operation that led to the shooting.

- An anonymous Whitehall source who provided the story stressed that the SRR were involved only in intelligence gathering, and that Menezes was shot by armed police not by members of the SRR or other soldiers.

- Defence sources would not comment on speculation that SRR soldiers were among the plainclothes officers who followed Menezes onto the No. 2 bus.

- On 21 August, the Sunday Herald reported that SRR men are believed to have been in the tube train when the shooting occurred.

There was also allot of discussion at the time about what type of bullets were used as his body was unrecognisable.

No Police Officer or Soldier (If they were there) on the tube train as ever been charged and/or prosecuted.

They were given an order and followed it.

lets hope they dont have to use them often. They killed an innocent - not a good advert for their intelligence gathering ability which would appear to be hopeless.

To be fair, they gathered the intelligence and handed it over to the senior police officer on the day who then gave the order.

Don’t know what the intelligence said. “Bloke with a rucksack” ?

Just goes to show that some people are above the law.

[Derek27]

DT says his wall has stopped the coronavirus [from getting into Mexico].

[spreadbetting]

I agree Archery but the sensationalist media would have a field day with "Army on the streets of Britain"!

Certain units of the Army are deployed in plain clothes and under the command of the Met Police. Although there not really there for mob/crowd control.

A bit of history.....

There was allot of speculation back in 2005 over the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting on a tube train. Turns out he was totally innocent.

- At the time, Professor Michael Clarke, Professor of Defence Studies at King's College London, went as far as to say that unless there had been a major change in policy it was likely that it was not the police who had carried out the shooting, but special forces:

- On 4 August 2005, The Guardian reported that the newly created Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), a special forces unit specialising in covert surveillance, were involved in the operation that led to the shooting.

- An anonymous Whitehall source who provided the story stressed that the SRR were involved only in intelligence gathering, and that Menezes was shot by armed police not by members of the SRR or other soldiers.

- Defence sources would not comment on speculation that SRR soldiers were among the plainclothes officers who followed Menezes onto the No. 2 bus.

- On 21 August, the Sunday Herald reported that SRR men are believed to have been in the tube train when the shooting occurred.

There was also allot of discussion at the time about what type of bullets were used as his body was unrecognisable.

No Police Officer or Soldier (If they were there) on the tube train as ever been charged and/or prosecuted.

They were given an order and followed it.

lets hope they dont have to use them often. They killed an innocent - not a good advert for their intelligence gathering ability which would appear to be hopeless.

More of a Special Needs Reconnaissance Service. Last thing you need is a load of trigger happy squaddies patroling the streets.