Bill Gates is no longer running Microsoft but when he was, around the time of Windows 98/XP, Windows never updated or did anything without your permission - you had complete control if you wanted it.
Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer
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My own view of Covid:
Yes, it's real.
Yes, it kills lots of people.
So does the flu.
So does smoking.
So does obesity.
So does childbirth.
So does driving.
However, in my opinion, and illness that 99% of people survive and where the average fatality is over 80 does not merit shutting down society and creating the worst recession in 300 years.
I quite like the Swedish model - isolate the elderly and other vulnerable people, and let everyone else get on with their lives.
I'm probably going to get flamed to death for that, especially from my old buddy Spreadbetting. Hey ho!
Jeff
Yes, it's real.
Yes, it kills lots of people.
So does the flu.
So does smoking.
So does obesity.
So does childbirth.
So does driving.
However, in my opinion, and illness that 99% of people survive and where the average fatality is over 80 does not merit shutting down society and creating the worst recession in 300 years.
I quite like the Swedish model - isolate the elderly and other vulnerable people, and let everyone else get on with their lives.
I'm probably going to get flamed to death for that, especially from my old buddy Spreadbetting. Hey ho!
Jeff
"The Lizard people" are real, they're just not actual Lizards... when conspiracy people refer to Lizard people they're referring to a group of hackers (generally) - it just got made into a joke that conspiracy people believe in Lizard people.
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Whether that was the intention, who knows?
I don't know how Covid came about. Was it an accident or deliberate? If the latter, who brought it about and why? Pass. I can only speculate.
However, when the government is spending so much money that even Jeremy Corbyn won't criticise them, something strange is going on somewhere...
I don't know how Covid came about. Was it an accident or deliberate? If the latter, who brought it about and why? Pass. I can only speculate.
However, when the government is spending so much money that even Jeremy Corbyn won't criticise them, something strange is going on somewhere...
There is a flaw in that opinion. The above list are not illnesses but things that can cause/result in illness and death, and with the exception of flu they are not contagious, so comparing percentage survival rates becomes meaningless. Not everybody smokes, gives birth or drives but everybody will be subjected to the virus if we don't take drastic measures.SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:56 pmMy own view of Covid:
Yes, it's real.
Yes, it kills lots of people.
So does the flu.
So does smoking.
So does obesity.
So does childbirth.
So does driving.
However, in my opinion, and illness that 99% of people survive and where the average fatality is over 80 does not merit shutting down society and creating the worst recession in 300 years.
I quite like the Swedish model - isolate the elderly and other vulnerable people, and let everyone else get on with their lives.
I'm probably going to get flamed to death for that, especially from my old buddy Spreadbetting. Hey ho!
Jeff
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All I am saying is that there is such a thing as an acceptable risk. You can't insulate yourself from risk without taking such extreme measures that, ironically, there is a danger of even creating even greater risk.
Some people say, for example, that lives are more important than the economy. However, that argument breaks down when you consider that you need a healthy economy for the NHS to buy drugs. To put it crudely, if the economy ends up fucked because the government has shut down just about every business out there, then the NHS will be fucked too, and people will die.
Jeff
Some people say, for example, that lives are more important than the economy. However, that argument breaks down when you consider that you need a healthy economy for the NHS to buy drugs. To put it crudely, if the economy ends up fucked because the government has shut down just about every business out there, then the NHS will be fucked too, and people will die.
Jeff
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Sure, the money spent on the Iraq War (for example) could have gone into the NHS and saved many lives. However, I think that's a different discussion entirely to the one we are having.
So much to not getting involved in this topic.SweetLyrics wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:09 pmAll I am saying is that there is such a thing as an acceptable risk. You can't insulate yourself from risk without taking such extreme measures that, ironically, there is a danger of even creating even greater risk.
Some people say, for example, that lives are more important than the economy. However, that argument breaks down when you consider that you need a healthy economy for the NHS to buy drugs. To put it crudely, if the economy ends up fucked because the government has shut down just about every business out there, then the NHS will be fucked too, and people will die.
Jeff
I know it's a difficult balancing act and one that requires scientific and mathematical consideration, but one of the problems is that many people are in one camp or the other without balancing health and the effect on the economy. But if this new strain is as highly contagious as they think drastic restrictions are essential. With 1000 people a day dying, that's 10,000 plus a day being bereaved, people are beginning to just think of them as numbers.
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I think that's a good point.
The government have said from the start that they are listening to the experts. I don't doubt that's the case. But are they inviting the right experts into the conversation, i.e. do they listen to economists as well as epidemiologists to get a balanced view of the short- and long- term effects of their policies? And are they asking the right questions? Are they asking merely 'What can do to minimise the number of people getting Covid?', or are they asking 'What can we do that will minimise the years of life lost?'.
I'm sceptical of the government's decisions (and very critical of a lot of their decision making, which can be inconsistent and sometimes comes across as being made on the basis of someone's gut feeling). However, I don't claim to know what the answer is (and I think many experts would privately admit that they don't, either).
The government have said from the start that they are listening to the experts. I don't doubt that's the case. But are they inviting the right experts into the conversation, i.e. do they listen to economists as well as epidemiologists to get a balanced view of the short- and long- term effects of their policies? And are they asking the right questions? Are they asking merely 'What can do to minimise the number of people getting Covid?', or are they asking 'What can we do that will minimise the years of life lost?'.
I'm sceptical of the government's decisions (and very critical of a lot of their decision making, which can be inconsistent and sometimes comes across as being made on the basis of someone's gut feeling). However, I don't claim to know what the answer is (and I think many experts would privately admit that they don't, either).