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Kai
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I'll briefly touch on the relevant topics that come to mind and would encourage others to speak their mind as well.

Overall I think people want the mods to encourage positivity and crack down on the negativity, simple as that, keep the good stuff and cut the bad stuff, maybe throw in a few forum upgrades/buttons if feasible to promote growth and keep things from going stale.

It does make perfect sense, on a forum where many have positive P&L's and positive mindsets and outlooks overall etc, allowing so much negativity to fester and spread makes little sense, so nipping the negative stuff in the bud and cutting toxic threads and spats short would seem the most sensible and logical thing to do, just like on the ladder with trading.

So I'm glad the forum will cater to newbies more now, which was my main criticism, derailing their help/advice threads should be frowned upon, even though most of us have probably done it at some point. Should be fine to give them a warm welcome and throw in a casual joke with the advice but at that stage they prefer advice over banter and they certainly don't have all the tools yet to detect obvious sarcasm like an experienced trader would, it can needlessly confuse and mislead them.

I feel it's vitally important to provide newbies with a safe enough environment to learn, the support system is already in place for this so logic would dictate we give them some space to grow as well, a newbie today can be a fulltimer and a contributer tomorrow etc. Without fresh intake of contributors the community will eventually perish, that's not so much an opinion as it is biology.

I have no real issues on the topic of credibility, I rely on common sense and experience and base my opinions of others on merit, I think most of us already know roughly where others are in their trading journey and enough was shared anyway along the way, beyond that I'm not too interested to be honest. I only like to compare to a very small number of traders out there that share my trading style and markets, so I still consider myself as a relative beginner in that sense, even though at the time of my first forum post I was already regularly paying PC. It's not really humility either, it's just how my philosophy works, which I already talked about at length many times in the past.

Credit is not something I would be after at this point either, if ever, probably wouldn't get much anyway, not even top guys get as much as they should, but certainly don't mind if others want more credit. My trading is fine, it's the other aspects of my life that I should be focusing on more if I'm being honest, so if I go AWOL that would be the reason :) However, I understand newbies have issues with credibility when browsing the net and finding random crap, but I encourage them to trust the people on here, we're all savvy enough to know that your average trader will usually try to appear greater than he is as that's basic psychology, I always assume everything on here is true by default, and I trust my ability to tell the difference if needed and don't really care anyway, so if someone is going to great effort to deceive for whatever (non-profit) purpose then the only person they're lying to is themselves, and in that case I wouldn't even be mad, I'd just pity them.

I also think moving to another platform would only lose members in the process, and splitting the userbase probably wouldn't be sensible either. Don't know how the forum was pre-2015 but LeTiss commented there used to be a lot more humor overall back in the day, and I would agree that there should be room for light-hearted banter and offtopic stuff, as obviously not everyone wants/needs advice or wants to discuss (their) trading etc.
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it certainly has been a bit quieter in here today... certainly not a bad thing and maybe a few lessons learned all round (myself included).
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"good judgment comes from experience ~ experience comes from poor judgment"
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i can't recall the platform, but there was a forum that i frequented a few years back that had a timeout facility which was activated by the moderators (or maybe by concensus button -can't rmbr the detail). anyway, the gist of this was that you were timed out for 4-6 hours after any altercations. i guess the premise behind this was that the individual would have calmed down/sobbered up by the time their access was open again.

anyway, i'm sure as Tuco alludes to, "~ experience comes from poor judgment", so prolly not a required function here. ;)
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Looking back at this and other threads I'm actually embarrassed for myself for getting sucked into childish arguments again and again :oops: Especially because its not who I am in real life, If I was having a conversation that I felt was going south I'd change the subject or if it was really going south I'd get out of dodge! And If I felt somebody was trying to wind me up I'd just walk away so no idea why I felt the need to get involved on here.

Whatever measures are put in place on the forum its ultimately down to the individual how they behave but I don't think any major changes are needed.
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jimibt wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:28 pm
it certainly has been a bit quieter in here today...
Give it some time Jim, now that Derek has awoken from his slumber :)

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Kai wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:04 pm
jimibt wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:28 pm
it certainly has been a bit quieter in here today...
Give it some time Jim, now that Derek has awoken from his slumber :)

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Kai - must be your bedtime already :D

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One more thing (Columbo) ... Tuco aside, many humans are status driven (there are evolutionary reasons why it is a big part of our psychological make up to be groupish and seek status in the group). Giving individual posts a like/dislike button is maybe ok as long as we come at it from the perspective that we are judging the ideas in the post and not the user who posted the post. Giving each other some kind of like/dislike of the user or user score or even user credibility or badge etc is extremely dangerous and unlikely to build a cohesive community. Reference the episode Nosedive in the Black Mirror series on Netflix for an insight.
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gazuty wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:45 pm
One more thing (Columbo) ... Tuco aside, many humans are status driven (there are evolutionary reasons why it is a big part of our psychological make up to be groupish and seek status in the group). Giving individual posts a like/dislike button is maybe ok as long as we come at it from the perspective that we are judging the ideas in the post and not the user who posted the post. Giving each other some kind of like/dislike of the user or user score or even user credibility or badge etc is extremely dangerous and unlikely to build a cohesive community. Reference the episode Nosedive in the Black Mirror series on Netflix for an insight.
One possibility is to have a + button but no - button. It has the same effect but nobody would be left with negative kudos.
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:26 am
gazuty wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:45 pm
One more thing (Columbo) ... Tuco aside, many humans are status driven (there are evolutionary reasons why it is a big part of our psychological make up to be groupish and seek status in the group). Giving individual posts a like/dislike button is maybe ok as long as we come at it from the perspective that we are judging the ideas in the post and not the user who posted the post. Giving each other some kind of like/dislike of the user or user score or even user credibility or badge etc is extremely dangerous and unlikely to build a cohesive community. Reference the episode Nosedive in the Black Mirror series on Netflix for an insight.
One possibility is to have a + button but no - button. It has the same effect but nobody would be left with negative kudos.
Maybe. “But your likes are more than my likes”, there will be so many additional ways to hurt each other’s feelings 😢

I think quora uses an upvote downvote system for usefulness of answers. And the most useful answer appears first followed by others. That’s for a service devoted to questions and answers.

Of course, in any case I’ve noticed things seem calmer now. 🤔 Reversion to the mean. Time to sell bickering and buy harmony?
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Post like/emoji type thing would work well, seems pretty basic? PC validation would be a nightmare...

I also think a few meetups will stop the bickering, Peter?
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gazuty wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:14 am
Of course, in any case I’ve noticed things seem calmer now. 🤔 Reversion to the mean. Time to sell bickering and buy harmony?

Give it time
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I propose love hearts so one can express ones feelings, and share the love. And, I'm being serious, no clickbait attached ....
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Trader Pat wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:13 pm
gazuty wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:14 am
Of course, in any case I’ve noticed things seem calmer now. 🤔 Reversion to the mean. Time to sell bickering and buy harmony?

Give it time
Contrarian sell calm buy volatility. 😀
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gazuty wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:27 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:13 pm
gazuty wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:14 am
Of course, in any case I’ve noticed things seem calmer now. 🤔 Reversion to the mean. Time to sell bickering and buy harmony?

Give it time
Contrarian sell calm buy volatility. 😀
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