The Oasis

[Trader Pat]

The Coronavirus thread was locked because of this troll and his bullshit.

Does another thread have to be locked every time he starts up with this rubbish?

[Kai]

This little illustration says more than I or anyone else ever could, there is something in here for everyone.

[Trader Pat]

All I can say is he must lead a very sad life.

[alexmr2]

When those watch the BBC so much
The repeated lie becomes truth
Even though they are proven to lie e.g.
Didn't report 1,000,000 protestors in London
Because there was no deaths after
They knew it
Funded by pharma
They ignore rational evidence
Top scientists
Elite saying depopulate openly
Pharma saying no liability
The emotions override them
You can tell when they type how emotional they become
Try to save them but primitive brain becomes defensive
Therefore logic is little

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[Morbius]

Thanks for the comments guys (Derek/Pat/Kai) Looks like the post by Alex was removed while I was typing this and so feel free to remove this if you like but I just felt compelled to respond to his first point regarding Sweden/Tanzania or whatever the hell it was now, luckily I saved it lol



I really don't have the time or inclination to debate all of that even though bits and pieces of it actually made some semblance of sense. But head banging against a wall has never been high on my list of things to do. I do try and restrict what I discuss to topics that I feel I can converse at with people who are very knowledgeable but firing off that many arrows and shooting from the hip/lip has never been a recipe for accuracy has it Alex??

So to condense the entire thing into the first point brought up just to highlight the lack of understanding in this one area then I felt I could find time. Several years ago I was doing research for a financial company which I won't name on the subject of viruses and pandemics as strange as that may sound but it was to do with the financial implications on certain economies around the world based on the natural expected migration of an Eastern virus with its expected origin being China.

This was based on the likelihood of a virus originating from that region given how many have started there since the Spanish Flu in 17-18. It was surprising to find out just how much research has been done since the Spanish Flu and how much our knowledge has increased since the previous two big pandemics in the 50's and late 60's of a similar nature. The metrics that go into sophisticated self-learning algorithms would put horse racing odds compilers to shame. There was a reason why certain companies and markets on Wall Street were moving early on this and its because they knew what was about to happen once it was obvious that China couldn't contain this and it was going to move from epidemic to pandemic. Once Italy recorded their first 6 cases around the 20th Feb 2020 iirc then the UK's goose was cooked.

It was already too late even by Jan/Feb 2020. The virus wasn't revealed by China until Dec 31st 2019 so by the time they had discovered that they were dealing with a new Covid which would have taken several months and then add on top the time where they decided to sit on it then you can only imagine the migration of people to and from a country with 1.4 billion people in it across the globe. The Spanish Flu found its way around the world despite a lack of air travel and motor cars and all of the other virus transferring vehicles associated with modern life. However the population of the planet is circa double what it was then so this brings population density into the equation quite sharply as well as other factors governing the infrastructure of each country and how its run and the demographic of the population.

This is not an easy subject to comprehend so I don't blame anyone for not understanding it. Even Jurgen Klopp iirc made some comments last year about the differences between figures in the UK and Germany that were severely lacking knowledge and he is an intelligent man. But unfortunately intelligent people make comments on subjects they don't understand and their own ego and conceit won't allow them to see the truth and their warped perception of factual data based on insufficient knowledge. Even a clock that's stopped tells the correct time twice a day so people that speak a lot sometimes talk sense, just not a lot. So onto Sweden, a totally different country to the UK and a very low population density. In fact iirc the UK is x20 more densely populated than Sweden with London almost having the same population as Sweden.

Heathrow is one of the busiest airports in the world and the UK is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe and also has one of the most intricate motorway networks. The modelling of virus transfer takes all these into effect. You simply cannot blanket sweep the figures from country to country. It simply doesn't and can't work like that. This is not my opinion, this is how it is. So some countries could have gone with a no lockdown policy and had a similar effect but that doesn't show what the end result is on a country per country basis simply because the spread was checked by countries with high population density with lockdowns while other countries could go with different strategies.

Analogy time......imagine you are looking at a Betfair chart and you see the price history. That is only showing you what has happened. Someone like Peter for example with his knowledge and experience could tell you what the right hand blank part of that graph would look like in several minutes time. The best traders in financial markets predict the future, they don't react to the past and they get ahead of what is calculated to happen. We simply cannot under any circumstances allow a pandemic with a x20 mortality rate of conventional flu to rip through a country with a 68m population with a very high density with very high levels of tourism not to mention with a highly advanced and delicate economy.

Many factors go into the algorithms that predict virus transfer/impact and where it will move to and in what force. Factors like debt for example...why?? Because increased personal debt leads to more people going abroad on credit and buying motor cars on finance etc etc etc hence why the UK is heavily car populated because it has very high levels of personal debt. These are perfect virus carriers and then we have differences in ethnicity and leisure habits. A lockdown is draconian but that and social distancing and wearing masks etc etc is all we have while at the same time trying very hard not to fracture and destroy a very sophisticated economy and with it peoples livelihoods.....far more sophisticated and inter connected with global markets than Sweden or Tanzania which is another country lacking in population density. This delicate balancing act is more complicated in its texture than it would be in Sweden or Tanzania and it was what Donald Trump meant when he said we "can't have a cure that's bigger than the problem". This is an extremely complicated subject Alex and far more complicated than I fully understand but I do understand it a lot better than you. But do rest assured, there are some incredibly knowledgeable and smart people who figured this stuff out and had contingency plans in place for this eventuality so people like yourself can stay safe and not have to go through the horrible consequences of what is happening in India right now.

Too many people have a warped "social media" education (not saying that's you as I don't know you) and simply do not understand the subject but it is incredibly deep and incredibly complex the more you study it. We always knew there would be a lot of deaths in this country. I know people personally who have advanced positions in the NHS, I hear a lot of things first hand. For anyone to say that any country in the world would lie about their figures in the direction of enhancing them really has no concept of reality. But nobodies perception of the world is real, we each perceive the world differently but this is precisely why we need science and quantifiable data rather than smoke and mirrors and silly theories. But sleep easy because the highly intelligent smart strategic thinkers will act as a perfect counter balance to the loony David Icke/Piers Corbyn clowns.......that's me done. This post isn't in the right place I know but it does tie in with the OP because its connected but Covid isn't the Betangel forum hence why I'm not replying anymore but I wouldn't have anyway.

[Derek27]

When those watch the BBC so much
The repeated lie becomes truth

You probably think what's going on in India is just BBC propaganda but I've actually got cousins in both, Mumbai and Goa who know first hand what's going on. In fact, I'd be surprised if I don't lose relatives over there.

I reckon most of us on this forum will have friends and relatives all over the world - we all know from reliable sources what's happening. Ironically, you're the only one that needs a reliable news service since you live in a world of your own, yet you prefer to be fed bullshit from your CT nutjob websites.

[alexmr2]

Covid isn't the Betangel forum hence why I'm not replying anymore but I wouldn't have anyway.

Thanks for your respectful and insightful reply, I find all points of views and discussion interesting but you are right it's not the place to discuss it.

Sorry to you and everyone for chipping in after seeing some mentions of it and disagreeing with them. I won't discuss it any more here either. I'm glad we can leave it here with some food for thought but only we can form our own opinions.

Back to the original topic aren't desert oases usually mirages therefore fake?

[Euler]

Unfortunately, there is a whole generation that is growing up that has almost no ability to think rationally and independently.

[Euler]

BTW conspiracy theory crap is banned from the forum, so we will remove it. If you want to discuss that, go elsewhere, let's keep the focus here on what we do for a living, not the reptilian overmasters.

[Euler]

The Coronavirus thread was locked because of this troll and his bullshit.

Does another thread have to be locked every time he starts up with this rubbish?

I am not going to let another thread go to pot over something that is not relevant to this forum.

[Kai]

BTW conspiracy theory crap is banned from the forum, so we will remove it. If you want to discuss that, go elsewhere, let's keep the focus here on what we do for a living, not the reptilian overmasters.

+1

Hopefully that policy doesn't include the opening post and the following discussion, or the above illustration since it pertains to the initial topic as well.

[The Silk Run]

I rather like Alex's posts, I was going to ask if he is an xr member, I thought some of his content was moving in that direction, somewhat ...

[Derek27]

I rather like Alex's posts, I was going to ask if he is an xr member, I thought some of his content was moving in that direction, somewhat ...

I used to find Alex's posts amusing but they're getting quite tiresome now and being disguised as lyrics to a Bob Dylan song!

I had to look up XR. So they can't even spell their own name.

[Kai]

I rather like Alex's posts, I was going to ask if he is an xr member, I thought some of his content was moving in that direction, somewhat ...

I used to find Alex's posts amusing but they're getting quite tiresome now and being disguised as lyrics to a Bob Dylan song!

I had to look up XR. So they can't even spell their own name.

So an environmentalist daytrader then? How does that work??

Aren't those XR types supposed to have exceptionally high levels of compassion, empathy and EQ overall and not have EQ at the level of a village idiot? (think of it like constructive criticism)

These are hypothetical questions, no need to answer them

There is a time and place to discuss most things but I have to agree with the admins when it comes to inflammatory conspiracy theory posts, does more harm than good.

[The Silk Run]

I do agree with your final paragraph Kai, and Peter's intervention.
Not entirely Oasis, but just finished an Everest climb with some XR members, it was awesome.