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jamesg46
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napshnap wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:16 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 3:08 pm
Kai wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 3:06 pm


Nice try Peter!!!
:lol:
Hmm, so we all are just Peter's imaginary marketing entities... Creepy...
Yeah, & I'm 14 updates behind the code written for StellaBot :lol:
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Kai
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jamesg46 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:53 pm
napshnap wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:16 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 3:08 pm


:lol:
Hmm, so we all are just Peter's imaginary marketing entities... Creepy...
Yeah, & I'm 14 updates behind the code written for StellaBot :lol:
Don't mind me, I am just a simple meme bot. *Beep Boop*
jamesg46
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Kai wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:56 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 12:53 pm
napshnap wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 8:16 am


Hmm, so we all are just Peter's imaginary marketing entities... Creepy...
Yeah, & I'm 14 updates behind the code written for StellaBot :lol:
Don't mind me, I am just a simple meme bot. *Beep Boop*
A complex meme bot, the quality is too good to be a simple one ;)
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Derek27
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If you look at the 'who is online' section at the bottom of each topic, it's not there now but I often see [bot] on the thread. What is this bot doing and how does the forum software know it's a bot?
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 1:43 pm
If you look at the 'who is online' section at the bottom of each topic, it's not there now but I often see [bot] on the thread. What is this bot doing and how does the forum software know it's a bot?
That's my brother, from another coder... doesn't really have the same twang to it does it. He's there to scrape your trading activity and feed all of your edges back into mine and StellaBots algo.
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Kai
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jamesg46 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 1:56 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 1:43 pm
If you look at the 'who is online' section at the bottom of each topic, it's not there now but I often see [bot] on the thread. What is this bot doing and how does the forum software know it's a bot?
That's my brother, from another coder... doesn't really have the same twang to it does it. He's there to scrape your trading activity and feed all of your edges back into mine and StellaBots algo.
I trust Detective Derek to solve this mystery on his own without further clues. If not, then I expect a full report in the rant thread.

In the meantime, as per my programming, I have scraped the internet for the most relevant meme on the topic of covering up evidence of botting.

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jamesg46
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Kai wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 2:13 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 1:56 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue May 04, 2021 1:43 pm
If you look at the 'who is online' section at the bottom of each topic, it's not there now but I often see [bot] on the thread. What is this bot doing and how does the forum software know it's a bot?
That's my brother, from another coder... doesn't really have the same twang to it does it. He's there to scrape your trading activity and feed all of your edges back into mine and StellaBots algo.
I trust Detective Derek to solve this mystery on his own without further clues. If not, then I expect a full report in the rant thread.

In the meantime, as per my programming, I have scraped the internet for the most relevant meme on the topic of covering up evidence of botting.

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Morbius
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Kai wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 11:43 pm
Morbius wrote:
Mon May 03, 2021 9:26 pm
I lost my father to Covid last December and shortly after that it nearly took my life.
I know I offered my condolences months ago but once again, I'm sorry for your loss and hopefully you've made a full recovery. Speaking of, my whole family went through Covid in April now but luckily unscathed, timely Pfizer vaccinations have truly made all the difference so very lucky there indeed. Actually, self-isolation is why I dropped by the forum again as well, it's good to have a bit of a distraction sometimes.
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Mon May 03, 2021 9:26 pm
The thread has no strategic objective to it and could have been 10k words in length with more imagery and it wouldn't change a thing.
Well, not sure what sort of strategic objective the thread should have since I have not thought that far ahead! :lol:

I rarely do when I just follow my whim and speak what's on my mind, I only felt the urge to say something :) Since we can't properly discuss trading there's not many real topics left anyway, but I know all posts and videos get buried very fast either way, so it does feel pointless at times.

However, I was hoping to maybe sway a few opinions in this very moment, and I think I did because I've already received an apology message from the most recent disbeliever and he says he sent an apology to Dallas as well! :D I guess we take what small victories we can get, good enough for me.

Besides, you already know how much I love analogies and idioms etc, and how much fun I like to have with your language, so I'll take any excuse I can get :D Maybe overdid it a bit although I had fun and hopefully you liked one or two Carl :)

But I'll shut up now before someone gets seriously offended and posts "oi who you calling idiom mate??"

appreciate the kind words guys

Yeah I think "strategic objective" was a bad choice of words as it did come across more of a frustrated half rant Kai if that's a better way of saying it :-). This subject goes deeper than just people not believing the forum or whatever and really that is merely a derivative IMO of something far larger and far more insidious. Unfortunately Kai you rattled another one of my cages with this thread similar to the ESL thread :-) Over the past 20 years since the exponential growth of the internet there has also been an equal exponential growth in a covert industry designed to promote conspiracy theories and hack into the denialism culture. People have a deep fundamental drive to want to believe "stuff" and this is buried deep within people's psychology waiting to be exploited just like some religious cult leader.

The problem is that half truths then get warped into something they are not. Its pretty scary how many Americans refuse to believe they never landed on the moon but this figure has grown as the internet has grown. The fact that the hard part was already done by us being lucky enough to survive 3 billion years of human evolution and not go the same way as the dinosaurs is lost on these people. Nobody doubts that we go into space, but yet that 240k distance between here and the moon which is just x10 the earths circumference is somehow not possible. The fact that it would be many times harder statistically to fake the damn thing and maintain that secret for over half a century than to actually go is lost on these people.

However, combine someone who isn't an astronaut or who has never worked for NASA or has no knowledge of the space industry and who is isolated from intelligent opinions who is also isolated at home in a world of social media and the darker aspects of the internet and a form of radicalisation kicks in. Actually, these people don't even have to be "sold" to because they have basically done the hard part by being ignorant of basic facts. So if someone can't make money trading then in their mind "it isn't possible". Some years ago some supposedly very smart academics tried to prove that poker was a game of pure chance and if you played the game long enough that all standard distributions would even out and that anyone that was ahead was simply running ahead of EV and would correct.

There are many facets of poker that are completely random but the game isn't random in the way trading isn't because skill manipulates payoffs even when the criteria are replicated. Give a novice and professional the same cards and same opponents and the results will not be the same. This is so obvious to anyone that plays the game that to say otherwise is laughable. But the academics just say "yeah but these cave men don't understand the deeper mathematics like we do"....you can't argue with them because they think that mathematics can prove everything.

Likewise some years ago some equally "smart" people tried to say that the financial markets were purely random and that anyone that was ahead was merely running ahead of EV and this too would correct. They quoted the now famous coin tossing analogy where if every single person in the USA tossed a dollar coin and called heads or tails, the winners went through to the next toss while the losers were eliminated but left their money in the pot. This then reduced further until a small group of people were millionaires. They argued that a chimp who could toss a coin and who got lucky would get the same result and hence stock market millionaires had just gotten lucky and there was no skill.

Then Warren Buffet blew this theory out of the water with a famous article called "The Super Investors of Graham and Doddsville" which basically said that what if those same lucky people all came from the same small town in the same state, wouldn't you think that was rather strange and merited further scientific study!! The fact is only education convinces people but people think they have "education" by watching a few YT videos. People will always doubt what they can't see and the nature of people to want quick fixes to a longer problem is another factor.

Stick a few half truths in the mix and suddenly people cry "fake". The truth is Joe Smith can't make trading pay and neither did his two mates or the six people he spoke to on a forum. But hey the two that did say they were doing well were either lucky or were working for the forum because Joe has his own business and couldn't possibly fail anything and his mate "Dan" who is an accountant who is no fool can't make it pay either....bottom line.....everyone lies based on their "truths". Ditto with the moon rock that was proven to be fake. The bottom line was NASA over committed in how much moon rock they promised to certain institutions so when a few pieces were proven to not come from the moon...THEY NEVER WENT!!!

This "virus" has invaded our culture and it showed itself in COVID. Give a few inaccuracies in how the deaths were reported and suddenly the entire pandemic is exaggerated in the minds of all too many people. Any manipulation of statistics would only ever be in one direction and that is less and not more. What possible strategic objective could any country have to completely go OTT on their death totals unless your logic was so far gone that a you had a "David Icke" picture as pride of place on your mantle piece and you thought Piers Corbyn was somehow a very intelligent person. I despair at how illogical people are but this tsunami of stupidity cannot be stopped so there is no point fighting it, just get out of the way of it. Someone said a few months back how there would be a cure for cancer before there was a cure for human stupidity....that is pretty much nailed on.
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To trade better
Increase profit or reduce losses
Losing trader says why reduce losses
And fails

To rule better
Increase production or reduce liabilities
Government follower says why would government take losses on purpose
And fails to see why

This time they will reduce liabilities
First the old
Then the weak
Useless to society
And stupid

They will reduce them
The net will be better
Their eugenics program is pushed so hard
For a reason
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Derek27
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It's quite insensitive and heartless to continue to post that sort of crap when somebody on here (and maybe one of many) has lost his father to covid. Don't you have any compassion Alex?
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The Coronavirus thread was locked because of this troll and his bullshit.

Does another thread have to be locked every time he starts up with this rubbish?
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Kai
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This little illustration says more than I or anyone else ever could, there is something in here for everyone.

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All I can say is he must lead a very sad life.
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alexmr2
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When those watch the BBC so much
The repeated lie becomes truth
Even though they are proven to lie e.g.
Didn't report 1,000,000 protestors in London
Because there was no deaths after
They knew it
Funded by pharma
They ignore rational evidence
Top scientists
Elite saying depopulate openly
Pharma saying no liability
The emotions override them
You can tell when they type how emotional they become
Try to save them but primitive brain becomes defensive
Therefore logic is little
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Thanks for the comments guys (Derek/Pat/Kai) Looks like the post by Alex was removed while I was typing this and so feel free to remove this if you like but I just felt compelled to respond to his first point regarding Sweden/Tanzania or whatever the hell it was now, luckily I saved it lol



I really don't have the time or inclination to debate all of that even though bits and pieces of it actually made some semblance of sense. But head banging against a wall has never been high on my list of things to do. I do try and restrict what I discuss to topics that I feel I can converse at with people who are very knowledgeable but firing off that many arrows and shooting from the hip/lip has never been a recipe for accuracy has it Alex??

So to condense the entire thing into the first point brought up just to highlight the lack of understanding in this one area then I felt I could find time. Several years ago I was doing research for a financial company which I won't name on the subject of viruses and pandemics as strange as that may sound but it was to do with the financial implications on certain economies around the world based on the natural expected migration of an Eastern virus with its expected origin being China.

This was based on the likelihood of a virus originating from that region given how many have started there since the Spanish Flu in 17-18. It was surprising to find out just how much research has been done since the Spanish Flu and how much our knowledge has increased since the previous two big pandemics in the 50's and late 60's of a similar nature. The metrics that go into sophisticated self-learning algorithms would put horse racing odds compilers to shame. There was a reason why certain companies and markets on Wall Street were moving early on this and its because they knew what was about to happen once it was obvious that China couldn't contain this and it was going to move from epidemic to pandemic. Once Italy recorded their first 6 cases around the 20th Feb 2020 iirc then the UK's goose was cooked.

It was already too late even by Jan/Feb 2020. The virus wasn't revealed by China until Dec 31st 2019 so by the time they had discovered that they were dealing with a new Covid which would have taken several months and then add on top the time where they decided to sit on it then you can only imagine the migration of people to and from a country with 1.4 billion people in it across the globe. The Spanish Flu found its way around the world despite a lack of air travel and motor cars and all of the other virus transferring vehicles associated with modern life. However the population of the planet is circa double what it was then so this brings population density into the equation quite sharply as well as other factors governing the infrastructure of each country and how its run and the demographic of the population.

This is not an easy subject to comprehend so I don't blame anyone for not understanding it. Even Jurgen Klopp iirc made some comments last year about the differences between figures in the UK and Germany that were severely lacking knowledge and he is an intelligent man. But unfortunately intelligent people make comments on subjects they don't understand and their own ego and conceit won't allow them to see the truth and their warped perception of factual data based on insufficient knowledge. Even a clock that's stopped tells the correct time twice a day so people that speak a lot sometimes talk sense, just not a lot. So onto Sweden, a totally different country to the UK and a very low population density. In fact iirc the UK is x20 more densely populated than Sweden with London almost having the same population as Sweden.

Heathrow is one of the busiest airports in the world and the UK is one of the most densely populated countries in Europe and also has one of the most intricate motorway networks. The modelling of virus transfer takes all these into effect. You simply cannot blanket sweep the figures from country to country. It simply doesn't and can't work like that. This is not my opinion, this is how it is. So some countries could have gone with a no lockdown policy and had a similar effect but that doesn't show what the end result is on a country per country basis simply because the spread was checked by countries with high population density with lockdowns while other countries could go with different strategies.

Analogy time......imagine you are looking at a Betfair chart and you see the price history. That is only showing you what has happened. Someone like Peter for example with his knowledge and experience could tell you what the right hand blank part of that graph would look like in several minutes time. The best traders in financial markets predict the future, they don't react to the past and they get ahead of what is calculated to happen. We simply cannot under any circumstances allow a pandemic with a x20 mortality rate of conventional flu to rip through a country with a 68m population with a very high density with very high levels of tourism not to mention with a highly advanced and delicate economy.

Many factors go into the algorithms that predict virus transfer/impact and where it will move to and in what force. Factors like debt for example...why?? Because increased personal debt leads to more people going abroad on credit and buying motor cars on finance etc etc etc hence why the UK is heavily car populated because it has very high levels of personal debt. These are perfect virus carriers and then we have differences in ethnicity and leisure habits. A lockdown is draconian but that and social distancing and wearing masks etc etc is all we have while at the same time trying very hard not to fracture and destroy a very sophisticated economy and with it peoples livelihoods.....far more sophisticated and inter connected with global markets than Sweden or Tanzania which is another country lacking in population density. This delicate balancing act is more complicated in its texture than it would be in Sweden or Tanzania and it was what Donald Trump meant when he said we "can't have a cure that's bigger than the problem". This is an extremely complicated subject Alex and far more complicated than I fully understand but I do understand it a lot better than you. But do rest assured, there are some incredibly knowledgeable and smart people who figured this stuff out and had contingency plans in place for this eventuality so people like yourself can stay safe and not have to go through the horrible consequences of what is happening in India right now.

Too many people have a warped "social media" education (not saying that's you as I don't know you) and simply do not understand the subject but it is incredibly deep and incredibly complex the more you study it. We always knew there would be a lot of deaths in this country. I know people personally who have advanced positions in the NHS, I hear a lot of things first hand. For anyone to say that any country in the world would lie about their figures in the direction of enhancing them really has no concept of reality. But nobodies perception of the world is real, we each perceive the world differently but this is precisely why we need science and quantifiable data rather than smoke and mirrors and silly theories. But sleep easy because the highly intelligent smart strategic thinkers will act as a perfect counter balance to the loony David Icke/Piers Corbyn clowns.......that's me done. This post isn't in the right place I know but it does tie in with the OP because its connected but Covid isn't the Betangel forum hence why I'm not replying anymore but I wouldn't have anyway.
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