Accessing betting exchanges in Israel

[On_The_Edge]

Not sure if this is the correct section to post this question, but anyway here goes. I am going to Israel for about a month or so, and I want to continue trading (football). Last time I was in Israel was in 2019. Then I could log in to betfair exchange app on my phone when I was using roaming internet connection. Whenever I switched to local wifi, I was not allowed to log in. However bet365 did not allow me to log no matter if I used roaming or local wifi. I don't remember what was the case for other betting exchanges - smarkets and betdaq.

Now I want to try to continue doing the same. Log in to betfair app using roaming and place trades. I need b365 for live footie streams, but I can overcome this problem by purchasing some other live stream monthly subsciption from a specialist provider.

Question: if I do this - log in to betfair via roaming, can Betfair management detect this and later on ban me from their platform? (Since betfair does not allow officially logging in from Israel, and as far as I know, gambling is illegal in Israel, which I feel uncomfortable with as an Israeli passport holder)?

Another option: use a VPN. Again, can Betfair detect this and potentially ban my account?

If so, then I'd prefer to abstain from using Betfair rather than risking losing my account. Then I can simply deposit a smallish sum into Betdaq and Smarkets, and try logging in on them - if they ban me afterwards, at least my main betting exchange platform is still safe.

Can anyone here give me their opinion / advice?

[ikky]

I have often wondered if you use a VPN and the line somehow drops, does this affect the session that was active ? and potentially leave a stain on the account.

If the process needs to be 100% flawproof - purchase a Bet Angel VPS for a month, and connect the Betfair sessions using that - then there is absolutely no-chance there would be a problem,
as the Betfair session is based on the VPS in Ireland - which you connect to. for 30 quid a month or whatever, its simple.

I dont know about Bet365.

[On_The_Edge]

I have often wondered if you use a VPN and the line somehow drops, does this affect the session that was active ? and potentially leave a stain on the account.

If the process needs to be 100% flawproof - purchase a Bet Angel VPS for a month, and connect the Betfair sessions using that - then there is absolutely no-chance there would be a problem,
as the Betfair session is based on the VPS in Ireland - which you connect to. for 30 quid a month or whatever, its simple.

I dont know about Bet365.

ikky, thank you for this. I'll be honest, I never used or looked at Bet Angel software - all my bets / trades are done manually via Betfair itself. I'll def look into this.

So Bet Angel VPS allows one to log in to Betfair from anywhere in the world without being detected, right?

[Euler]

So Bet Angel VPS allows one to log in to Betfair from anywhere in the world without being detected, right?

That is correct. You don't need to use the software, you can just use the in-built browser to place bets manually. But If you are somewhere else in the world then the automation of placing bets will probably be helpful with Bet Angel.

[ShaunWhite]

So Bet Angel VPS allows one to log in to Betfair from anywhere in the world without being detected, right?

With a VPS (BA's or any other) you're basically using a remote computer to run your software (or browser) and accessing the Internet from where that hardware is located, with a VPN you're using local computing but it's routed to appear to originate elsewhere.

Both are possible options, but if you were automating then a vps would be better as you'd only connect to check it rather than incurring roaming charges 247 to run it locally. For manual trading for just a few weeks then a VPN might be the simpler solution..... and be handy for other geoblocked content like video streams which via a vps would be pretty glitchy.

[On_The_Edge]

So Bet Angel VPS allows one to log in to Betfair from anywhere in the world without being detected, right?

With a VPS (BA's or any other) you're basically using a remote computer to run your software (or browser) and accessing the Internet from where that hardware is located, with a VPN you're using local computing but it's routed to appear to originate elsewhere.

Both are possible options, but if you were automating then a vps would be better as you'd only connect to check it rather than incurring roaming charges 247 to run it locally. For manual trading for just a few weeks then a VPN might be the simpler solution..... and be handy for other geoblocked content like video streams which via a vps would be pretty glitchy.

Ok, now that I think about it, your explanation of VPS (remote computer) reminds me of something similar that I did while abroad several years ago: logged in remotely into my betfair and b365 accounts on my friend's computer (who was in UK at the time). I would have asked him to let me continue doing that, but he has anxiety issues and is terrified of anything to do with betting / gambling (even though I am the one who is doing it). So hence me trying another way.

What's worrying me though about VPN, is can Betfair detect that one is using VPN, and consequently ban you? And how come b365 still did not allow me to log in via VPN ?

[Euler]

Lots of the IP's from VPN's are banned. They tend to still be on static IP's and specific ranges so it's possible to detect if you are using an IP via a VPN. There are specific terms in most bookies and Betfair specifically banning there use.

VPS's can't be banned in the same manner as the IP's are all different and can't be isolated to VPN use. Also a lot of liquidity comes from bots operating from servers, so Betfair can't restrict in that manner and in fact, it's part of the business model.

I have used VPN's and VPS's in the past but VPS are faster and less hassle IMHO. Depends how serious your activity is.