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LinusP
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It shows on my screen 8-)
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Crazyskier
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LinusP wrote:It shows on my screen 8-)
How?
LinusP
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Build my own programs (don't tell Mr Webb)
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Crazyskier
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LinusP wrote:Build my own programs (don't tell Mr Webb)
Sure but they surely won't be able to see penny amounts that are not displayed on BF's own screen?

They will be using the same API or interface?
spreadbetting
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The API returns all money available down to the penny, you can select the minimum amounts you wish to display. I'd imagine Betfair request all vendors set it at the minimum stakes for any particular currency. Most of the ladder is peppered with sub £2 bets with people thinking they're head of the queue never realising 3 or 4 others are in front of them with penny bets :)
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vladilyich
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Why not just set your value buttons with stakes such as 24,13,8,etc and create your own randomness?
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Kai
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+1

Thought about this many times and was going to suggest it today but I see someone already has, would be very useful to me on inplay horses for example.

Any chance of something like this happening?
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:17 pm
Or additionally you could just set your settings to which ever percentage you want so you could set your random stake generator setting to 10%.

Now what ever you put in your stake cells. If you hold a key it will generate a stake thats is somewhre 10% above or 10% below.

Anyway just thought it was a good idea, some peoples stakes are just so obvious maybe mine is too.
I prefer the percentage random stake generator to the grouped version - just add the desired percentage and hold down a key (maybe 'p') when clicking the selection odds box. Needs to also work on the net stake box.
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Kai
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Have seen other traders randomize stakes with different types of trading software, unsure if it's customized or not.

% based would be great, that way if you want to stake 300 for example, you randomly get anything from say 275 to 325 and your multiple positions don't look so obvious.

Tennis traders would probably kill for this feature, their ladders get cleaned out on a regular basis and stakes are left bare for all to see.
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Hi

Interesting thread, I am sure I am missing something obvious here, but why would a bot placing a fixed £50 back bet at a back price several ticks above the LTP give an opportunity for another manual trader to exploit it and make a few ticks profit ?
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britguy wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:37 pm
Hi

Interesting thread, I am sure I am missing something obvious here, but why would a bot placing a fixed £50 back bet at a back price several ticks above the LTP give an opportunity for another manual trader to exploit it and make a few ticks profit ?
it doesnt
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:22 pm
The reason for doing so is to stop people seeing your stakes and stop you being identified.

Theres a guy/girl in the greyhound markets tonight using £50 stakes. Its easy money for people who can see that. Put £150 in front and you have a nice trade for couple quid.
If you are keen to add a randomised element to your bet stakes to give you some degree of anonymity you could just set up some servants to place your back and lay bets.

If for example you wanted a stake to be randomised up or down £2.50 you could set up a 2 rule Servant as follows

RULE 1 - Set Stored Values
set stored value sv1 = volume of selection plus volume of market (or some other fairly randomish values such as funds available at a price)
set stored value sv2 = stored value sv1 divided by 5 rounded to nearest whole number
set stored value sv3 = stored value sv2 multiplied by 5
set stored value randomish_adjustment = stored value sv1 minus stored value sv3 (at this stage randomish_adjustment should be in the range plus or minus £2.50)
set stored value randomish_stake = stored value randomish_adjustment plus servant context back/lay stake (taking care to use a servant context stake over £2.50)

RULE 2 - Place Back or Lay bet using the servant context price with the stake set to the stored value randomish_stake

For bigger/smaller adjustments use values other than 5 when setting sv2 and sv3 in RULE 1
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If you are keen to add a randomised element to your bet stakes to give you some degree of anonymity you could just set up some servants to place your back and lay bets.

If for example you wanted a stake to be randomised up or down £2.50 you could set up a 2 rule Servant as follows

RULE 1 - Set Stored Values
set stored value sv1 = volume of selection plus volume of market (or some other fairly randomish values such as funds available at a price)
set stored value sv2 = stored value sv1 divided by 5 rounded to nearest whole number
set stored value sv3 = stored value sv2 multiplied by 5
set stored value randomish_adjustment = stored value sv1 minus stored value sv3 (at this stage randomish_adjustment should be in the range plus or minus £2.50)
set stored value randomish_stake = stored value randomish_adjustment plus servant context back/lay stake (taking care to use a servant context stake over £2.50)

RULE 2 - Place Back or Lay bet using the servant context price with the stake set to the stored value randomish_stake

For bigger/smaller adjustments use values other than 5 when setting sv2 and sv3 in RULE 1
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How do I set a stored value to calculate my stake relative to the back price say at 3 sec before start-time?

eg. Lay the field, 3 seconds before off, at the back price odds, stake = back price/10

I've got the formula for doing this on excel but having problems getting bets fired which I think is due to the countdown clock not updating on excel bang on every second, so the clock might never read 3 seconds (0.00003472 in decimal form)
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Kai wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:52 pm
Tennis traders would probably kill for this feature, their ladders get cleaned out on a regular basis and stakes are left bare for all to see.
How embarrassing! It must feel as though all your clothes have dropped off in a busy shopping centre. :lol:

I've often heard of people trying to disguise their stakes but how is it a disadvantage to have 4 bets adjacent to each other on the ladder where people can identify them as from a single trader?

I presume they can't also work out the name and address of the individual. ;)
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Kai
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Replying to old comments now Derek? Bored much? :)

No, it feels far worse than that. The woes of market making :)

'tis true though, not everyone decides to be a market taker when they grow up ;)
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