Greening up issue

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Finbar147
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Hi Dallas (or anyone else happy to assist), just started with BetAngel, loving it and that is mainly thanks to this forum, without it I'd be lost! So many thanks for all of your efforts to help folk on here, really is appreciated.

Have created 2 rule files (one based on Mind the Gap and one based on WOM at the varios cross points), both seem to be on the right lines, but with both I have had issues with the final greening instruction seemingly ignored, am wondering if it's something I'm doing wrong.

Below are a couple of the log files where the greening rule didn't happen

Not sure how to put a picture on here so this is what I have:

It's based on Find the Gap with 3 blank ticks, laying the fav at <2.02 and backing the top 6 favs, 2 ticks with greening and stop, 6mins prior to the off until 1min prior to the off, it has a WOM condition in there and kill or fill is set to 5secs

Greening is set to
Arm 17secs to 1sec prior to off
Trigger up to 7 times, wait 2 seconds before rearming
ANY selection

I've tried putting it for longer, or having another greening instruction after the event start time but seemingly to no avail.

Works great when matched but if the price goes the wrong way there seems like there are issues with the stop part of the offset as well as the final greening, I've actually benefited as much as I've lost out so far, but clearly I'm hoping for as little variance as possible

Anything I'm missing? I'm in Aus so if you reply to this today I likely won't see it till tonight your time but I'll definitely be checking in the morning. If you need screenshots then please let me know what of and I'll try to work out how to post them on here.

If I could know that my greening/stop loss will 100% kick in it would make a huge difference, cheers!

This is one where the greening didn't trigger fir a loss of $19
30/03/2021 21:42:14: [G_Auto] : $ 15.00 Back bet placed on 2. Scotchrath Sebus at 4.4. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228593138871 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 21:42:20: [G_Auto] : $ 15 unmatched bet (Ref:228593138871) was killed.
30/03/2021 21:42:26: [G_Auto] : $ 10.00 Back bet placed on 4. El Diamond at 12.5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228593150062 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. Stop at 6 ticks. Place stop at 5 ticks )
30/03/2021 21:42:31: [G_Auto] : $ 0.380000000000001 of unmatched bet (Ref:228593150062) was filled before remainder was killed.
30/03/2021 21:42:33: [G_Auto] : $ 0.41 Lay bet placed on 4. El Diamond at 11.5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228593158255
30/03/2021 21:42:56: [G_Auto] : $ 15.00 Back bet placed on 5. Feora Becky at 5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228593184327 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 21:42:59: [G_Auto] : $ 15 of unmatched bet (Ref:228593184327) was filled before remainder was killed.
30/03/2021 21:42:59: [G_Auto] : $ 15.63 Lay bet placed on 5. Feora Becky at 4.8. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228593189028
30/03/2021 21:46:14: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended


and another where it didn't green up for a loss of $8

30/03/2021 18:20:20: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 1. Zachary at 2.24. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581742353 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:20:25: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581742353) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:02: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 3. Soda Prince at 2.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581772584 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:07: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581772584) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:13: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 3. Soda Prince at 2.74. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581779956 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:19: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581779956) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:21: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Back bet placed on 4. Jet Lee Rose at 13.5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581783170 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:27: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581783170) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:28: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 3. Soda Prince at 2.58. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581787279 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:28: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 1. Zachary at 2.36. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581787552 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:33: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581787279) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:34: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581787552) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:36: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Back bet placed on 4. Jet Lee Rose at 13. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581793473 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:39: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 3. Soda Prince at 2.6. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581795186 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:41: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581793473) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:45: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581795186) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:51: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 3. Soda Prince at 2.64. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581800003 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:21:57: [G_Auto] : $ 5 of unmatched bet (Ref:228581800003) was filled before remainder was killed.
30/03/2021 18:21:58: [G_Auto] : $ 4.93 Back bet placed on 3. Soda Prince at 2.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581803523
30/03/2021 18:22:11: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Back bet placed on 1. Zachary at 2.72. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581810866 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:22:17: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581810866) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:22:31: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Back bet placed on 4. Jet Lee Rose at 11.5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581823303 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:22:37: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581823303) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:22:58: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 1. Zachary at 2.54. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228581840878 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
30/03/2021 18:23:04: [G_Auto] : $ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:228581840878) was killed.
30/03/2021 18:27:02: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
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Dallas
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Are you using the 'Green all selections' rule
or the 'Close trade on selection with greening'?
Finbar147
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‘Green all selections’ as per the Find the Gap baf file (but tried to give it longer and arm it more times)

Might run that original a few times in practice and see if it does it
Finbar147
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Think I’ve got to the bottom of it, must have inadvertently put in a setting that was affecting the greening rule. No idea what I did!!

I ran some of your file (Find the Gap) in practice and had no greening issues (though it did cancel unmatched offsets after I think l 10secs but that may be a practice quirk). Then went back to live and put it at the default settings (other than 200ms refresh and no bet confirm).

At $5 bet/lay it stop lossed and greened up exactly as it was meant to over the last 20 dog races of the day, getting one or two bets matched (and offset 2 ticks) each time. From those 20 races, 6 wins / 2 losses ($0.30 and $0.98) for a profit of $0.87, from small acorns and all that...

I noticed that for the two where the stop loss did kick in the greyhound was drifting or shortening significantly at the time and a trade was placed despite WOM indicating it might be at the top/bottom of the drift, which it wasn’t. Is the best way to counter that by putting in a historic odds condition? Any .baf files to show that condition in practice?
Finbar147
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Found the historic relative odds condition, so set it so that it checks the same prices 15 seconds previous, and if 7 ticks lower (for backing) or higher (for laying) then it shouldn’t trigger. No idea if those ticks or that time is ok but feels about right to avoid a significant shift in odds
Finbar147
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Hi Dallas, looks like something is still not right. Used an automation rule based on Find the Gap yesterday, applied it to 200+ markets, it got matched on 70 or so, $5 back and $5 lay, final profit of $2.50, or it would have been but for some reason on two of the lays there was no greening triggered. It worked perfectly on all the others including lays at bigger prices than these.

Seems to only happen on the lay bets (and even then a tiny proportion), is there anything you can think of? These two greyounds both lost which was handy, started with a bank of $30, not sure that is relevant

The warning in the 2nd one is clearly important but the first one doesn't seem to have triggered at all and for no apparent reason. I've seen the warning before on one that didn't trigger the greening.

In this automation I have 2 greening rules

First one Green All Selections from 45s to 20s prior to start, trigger up to 4 times waiting 5 seconds before rearming, but will only trigger if market if back book <102.8% and lay book is >97.8%, selected ANY selection
Second one is from 19s to 1s prior to start, triggering up to 4 times waiting 4 seconds before rearming, ANY selection

18.02 Henlow
2/04/2021 17:59:57: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 4. Mister Eventful at 3.75. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228776541630 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
2/04/2021 17:59:58: [G_Auto] : $ 5 of unmatched bet (Ref:228776541630) was filled before remainder was killed.
2/04/2021 17:59:59: [G_Auto] : $ 4.87 Back bet placed on 4. Mister Eventful at 3.85. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228776542412
2/04/2021 18:05:13: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended

22.49 Crayford
2/04/2021 22:45:07: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 2. Jimmy The Man at 4.3. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228793869848 ( Fill or kill bet with 8 seconds delay. Offsetting by 3 ticks with greening. )
2/04/2021 22:45:26: [G_Auto] : WARNING: Matched Bet information was not refreshed during the fill or kill processing which may lead to calculation problems. Check refresh rates to ensure frequent updates. (Ref: 228793869848)
2/04/2021 22:45:26: [G_Auto] : Unmatched bet (Ref:228793869848) kill results unknown.
2/04/2021 22:46:05: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Back bet placed on 6. Fionntra Wave at 3.9. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228793982820 ( Fill or kill bet with 5 seconds delay. Offsetting by 2 ticks with greening. )
2/04/2021 22:46:11: [G_Auto] : $ 4.87 of unmatched bet (Ref:228793982820) was filled before remainder was killed.
2/04/2021 22:46:11: [G_Auto] : $ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 6. Fionntra Wave at 3.8. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 228793992149
2/04/2021 22:51:17: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
Finbar147
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Sorry, should add that refresh rate was at 200ms, no bet confirmation required, otherwise all settings are default
Finbar147
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Hi Dallas (or anyone that may know the solution!) I had 2 more lays this afternoon (ot of 30+, but seemingly always lays that are the issue) that didn’t generate an offset or a greening up.

I tried to put a third greening rule to only trigger if there was an unmatched bet but this also didn’t trigger.

Is there a greening rule that is bulletproof? Results are promising but this is a major bump in road, just want to have wins and losses of under $2, with no $20 losses
Finbar147
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Not just lay bets, had a back bet at 3.85 where no offset or greening triggered (it won!), baffling...
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Dallas
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It will be your refresh rate not set fast enough, if its 200ms and you have 100 greyhound markets in Guardian it will take 20 seconds to refresh them all just once.
This post explain it in more detail and shows how to increase your rate faster and other options you can use
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=11491
Finbar147
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Thanks Dallas, actually just noted that within Guardian my refresh rate was 1 second, will make that 200ms, change connection smoothing to 20ms and only ask it to look at markets 10mins before the off, that should hopefully solve the issue

Cheers again for the help
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