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Trading is often about how to take the appropriate risk without exposing yourself to very human flaws.
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Kai
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:00 pm
jamesedwards wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:44 pm
Someone on this very forum once said that the difference between a good and bad trader is how you handle a screen full of red.
I think that comes down to self perception. If you see yourself as a gambler winging it then it stings, if you see yourself as a businessman then you're 100% ok with the idea that on days when nobody comes into the shop, you're still paying your overheads. What a gambler would call red days. And some days the only people coming in are ones that want a refund from money you thought you'd made yesterday! No big deal though if you're ok at the month end.

The red screens, software subs, vps costs, biscuits blah blah blah are just the normal cost of doing business, so focus on making enough to cover them, and make a bit extra.
I'm glad the cold business approach is working for you Shaun, but the cold reality for most traders is very different because we all try to personalize just about everything, from individual trades where we think the market is after us to random comments/posts/questions where we think everything could be a personal jibe and so on.

It is easier to distance yourself and think of it all as a business when you're not chasing prices around with the mouse yourself and don't have to go through the emotions on most markets. As exciting as trading sessions can be they can also be mentally taxing when not going fully as planned, so it's not a big surprise when banks get blown in a moment of madness as those moments have probably been building for a while.
Emmson
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So we have learned that too much emotion in trading is a bad thing. We also know you need some level of emotion or else you won’t function. That is why my first advice was to enjoy it! We also know that despite the brain being a powerful thing it can be easily distracted; we’re not great at multitasking!

So why does this affect out trading? Well, too much emotion will shut down higher brain function and you will not be able to think straight. You’ll be totally reliant on conscious competence and a reduced level of thought. That is not good if you’re a new or novice trader and that is where mistakes kick in and hurt you. Once you get past your emotional threshold then you are in trouble as it is almost impossible to function at that stage.

So what do we do? Well first you have to be honest with yourself and identify your issue. Then you need separation i.e. counting deep breaths to bring your emotion levels down enough so you can stop crossing the threshold. You may want to go for a walk or grab a drink of tea.

Then you need to inject some logic, perhaps have a motivational quote pinned to your monitor? It should be something which works for you. You could consider a picture of a loved one or a favourite place that helps you to refocus on the task.

The most important thing in all of this is you must try and concentrate on the now! Forget what has happened, do not think about what might happen as both of these will distract you and eat up brain power. You cannot change the past and you cannot affect the future so do not waste energy on it.

We know the brain can easily be overwhelmed by thoughts – positive and negative so we must solely concentrate on what we are doing without introducing any other thought. That is why having your phone on or answering emails is a big no-no!! I want to share a funny story with you to help explain how negative thoughts can take over. This is a true story and I learned a lot from what happened.

About 25 years ago a member of my family was rushed into hospital. She was in danger of losing her baby with 9 weeks still remaining on the pregnancy. It was 23:00 and I had just returned from the pub. I was asked by my uncle if I would go with him for moral support and naturally I said yes. We had to drive to Bristol, well he did, as I had been drinking! I then sat in a waiting room for hours. There was one other person in there with me, a lady in her 60s at a guess. I had been trying to talk to her and get some form of conversation going for hours and she just kept ignoring me. I was cursing her ignorance and getting really angry with her. Then at about 03:00 we were both stood by the vending machine and she accidentally bumped into me. I was already angry and was about to let rip when she said “I’m sorry love for not speaking, I am totally deaf and unless I can see your lips moving I cannot make out what you’re saying!” I felt such an idiot, all those hours of anger and hatred directed towards her and all the time she couldn’t hear me anyway!

The mind can run away with you if you’re not careful so stay in the now and don’t make judgements as they often let you down or make you look like a fool.


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Emmson
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Amygdala Hijack

is not phrase I've seen on this forum but its interesting when you delve. I'm currently going to school on the phenomenon.
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Kai wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:42 pm
I'm glad the cold business approach is working for you Shaun, but the cold reality for most traders is very different because we all try to personalize just about everything, from individual trades where we think the market is after us to random comments/posts/questions where we think everything could be a personal jibe and so on. .
What you describe is familiar but it's an unhealthy state of mind. I'm a big fan of a workaround so rather than trying to conquer the psychology I prefer to rationalise the process and trivialise it. The psych side isn't just a manual traders issue, automating is just as mentally tough too but just on a different plane. Your pains can be cured in the next 10mins.. working for months on something that fails and then it being months before you can try again is tough too. Its like manual trading in bullet time. ;)
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Kai
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Yep, EQ over IQ for sure when manually trading
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:00 pm
jamesedwards wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:44 pm
Someone on this very forum once said that the difference between a good and bad trader is how you handle a screen full of red.
I think that comes down to self perception. If you see yourself as a gambler winging it then it stings, if you see yourself as a businessman then you're 100% ok with the idea that on days when nobody comes into the shop, you're still paying your overheads. What a gambler would call red days. And some days the only people coming in are ones that want a refund from money you thought you'd made yesterday! No big deal though if you're ok at the month end.

The red screens, software subs, vps costs, biscuits blah blah blah are just the normal cost of doing business, so focus on making enough to cover them, and make a bit extra.

Must be about 5yrs ago when LeTiss gave me some advice that stuck...to paraphrase, always mentally put part of you winings in a jar that's to pay for losers. If you never had it it's not so hard to give it back. When you win £1 you keep 50p and you've got 50p to burn on losers and just trying stuff.
I'd be very interested in a post from you that describes the wisdom that you received from some of the old hands.
andy28
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I often re watch the BetAngel trading video's and in one I noticed that Peter was showing someone how to trade and I noticed how smooth the trading was with prices moving slower then I am use to. Then I noticed that in the video the refresh rate was 500ms, mine is set at 40ms. So I am now thinking this could be part of the issue I have. With the market changing so quick and my eyes darting all over the place is this just turning up the noise and making the ladder look like a fruit machine? Plus making me make more decisions than I really need to?

I reduced mine to 300ms and I am finding it easier to follow, and easier on the emotions
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