Using Automation Signals

[Dabbla]

Are Signals 'dead'/redundant? Where would people use a Signal in preference to an SV? Maybe they use less resource?

Signals are a tad easier to set up. Useful for simple on/off , true /false , 0/1 type functions.
Although, admittedly, in most cases, I would still use SVs for these functions.

Using Incremental signals is also an easier way to add a delay/counter to a file.

[trex]

Hi Dallas,

I have been playing around with signals. Nearly in love them. Thought I had it all sorted but can't get bets to fire. I hate to ask you for a specific solution to a problem but out of ideas. The best way to express what I need is to look at your signals made simple post:

viewtopic.php?t=17725&sid=442d0c028a53d ... d0352ba9bc

I wanted to replicate your '15 tick' example - but for in play . I have made the necessary adjustments but I think where I am going wrong is understanding the 'seconds ago' or 'now' criteria for 'Historic Relative Odds Condition' (HROC)

My criteria are probably even simpler - all I want to do is for the signal to go live at in play (ideally using Betfair SP as a reference or some price close to it) and e.g. lay a particular horse when it's odds have increased 15 ticks / or 15% or whatever. (Or back a horse for that matter at decreased ticks/%).

I assume I need signals because I am backing at a lower price than 'current' and 'laying' at a higher price than 'current' - so effectively taking worse prices - and triggering a bet when those prices are hit.

I don't really care about 'time' - it's just when ever the horse hits the tick or percentage criteria that's important - be it 5 seconds or 50 seconds...

I think I am coming unstuck with the HROC - looking at your example, what would circled settings be based on above idea? Can't get bets to fire for some reason. Thought it would be 'Now' rather than a specific time - but no joy.

Dan

Signal Steam Cond.JPG

2. Also once solved, is there a way to help ensure bets are filled in a fast moving market - I am already using '3rd best market price' but maybe there is a better way - a kind of 'place at' idea (a bit like tick offset / global settings for stop loss).

thanks Dallas

Dan

[firlandsfarm]

2. Also once solved, is there a way to help ensure bets are filled in a fast moving market - I am already using '3rd best market price' but maybe there is a better way - a kind of 'place at' idea (a bit like tick offset / global settings for stop loss).

If you are prepared to accept any price then back at 1.01 or lay at 1000.00!

More realistically though set a Condition that the current price is more (or less) than an absolute min/max parameter.

[trex]

Thanks Firlands..

Ok not any price!.. Yes I will try to set up some kind of % range perhaps... during automation I won't know what price the horse will be - could be 20.0 or 2.0 etc. Just want to get matched - (within reason).

Main bit point 1 puzzling though. Basic tweak probably - hope Dallas can shed light!

Thanks
Dan

[Dallas]

Hi Dallas,

I have been playing around with signals. Nearly in love them. Thought I had it all sorted but can't get bets to fire. I hate to ask you for a specific solution to a problem but out of ideas. The best way to express what I need is to look at your signals made simple post:

viewtopic.php?t=17725&sid=442d0c028a53d ... d0352ba9bc

I wanted to replicate your '15 tick' example - but for in play . I have made the necessary adjustments but I think where I am going wrong is understanding the 'seconds ago' or 'now' criteria for 'Historic Relative Odds Condition' (HROC)

My criteria are probably even simpler - all I want to do is for the signal to go live at in play (ideally using Betfair SP as a reference or some price close to it) and e.g. lay a particular horse when it's odds have increased 15 ticks / or 15% or whatever. (Or back a horse for that matter at decreased ticks/%).

I assume I need signals because I am backing at a lower price than 'current' and 'laying' at a higher price than 'current' - so effectively taking worse prices - and triggering a bet when those prices are hit.

I don't really care about 'time' - it's just when ever the horse hits the tick or percentage criteria that's important - be it 5 seconds or 50 seconds...

I think I am coming unstuck with the HROC - looking at your example, what would circled settings be based on above idea? Can't get bets to fire for some reason. Thought it would be 'Now' rather than a specific time - but no joy.

DanSignal Steam Cond.JPG


2. Also once solved, is there a way to help ensure bets are filled in a fast moving market - I am already using '3rd best market price' but maybe there is a better way - a kind of 'place at' idea (a bit like tick offset / global settings for stop loss).

thanks Dallas

Dan

Great to see you loving signals and they are definitely very useful , however for what you want the best solution is to use Stored Values
There is also a ready-made file which does exactly what you want already, just can just edit the % to suit or change it to ticks if you want
viewtopic.php?t=17936

To increase the chances of a bet being matched for the 'Place at' option you can use 'Custom Ticks above best reverse price' (or below)

Or if using the example I linked to above you could duplicate the stored value on the existing rule and store another value named 'entry_price (or whatever you wanted) and increase the percentage an extra 5%-10%

Then on the bet placement rule have it 'Placed at' a Stored Value named 'entry_price' (or whatever you called it)

[trex]

Thanks very much Dallas...that's perfect! I'll cut short my education on Signals for the moment and concentrate on Stored Values.. Looks like the perfect solution for me to play around with - apologies for missing it

All the best
Dan