Humans are groupish. It is in our dna, becasue humans who were not groupish and were excluded from the group - died - and their genes were not as sucessful as those who fitted in to the group. Hence shame is perhaps the most powerful negative emotion humans feel. We don't have ancestors that weren't strongly groupish.Euler wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:49 pmBeing well travelled I hate nationalism. The more you travel the more you realise everybody is fairly similar and in fact the world would be a better place if we all got on together. Human nature is an odd thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4
There are groups everywhere and involved in everything we do. From participating in this forum, using this software, participating in the market, choosing our football team, driving our brand of car, wearing a brand of clothes - every single thing in the end is driven to be part of the group or to rebel against the group (to build favour from another group). To want to be part of a group is human.
I did once wrestle with the idea, can't we all just be friends and get along. Trouble is, there are good ideas and bad ideas, good people and bad people. I believe in individual freedom and liberty. So I have to tolerate bad ideas and bad people, to a certain extent. Everyone getting along is a utopia that can't occur with the natural variation within our species (that natural variation is ultimately a good thing which will lead to species survival).
In the meantime, we need to find ways to stop us killing each other, forming large groups and engaging in war just because the imaginery figmen in the mind x calls god is different from the imagery being in the mind that y calls god. Part of the ways to stop large group killing each other does (in part) involve nation states. There are probably also other ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g
Towards greater knowledge.