UK General Election **June 8th**

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LeTiss
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Pretty much, yes. I think it's protocol for the Queen to ask the opposition if they can form a government instead, but Labour would also need the DUP support, and due to his views on the IRA that won't happen.

If the Tories did force a GE, it would clearly be due to the fact they are forcing May out
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gazuty
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My view from afar.

Captain obvious- complete stuff up from May who must have campaigned very badly.

Cannot believe you almost elected a communist. Seriously go to YouTube and watch that man espouse the virtues of communism. And there is now a faint possibility he will be in charge of your country. You can't tax your way to prosperity. Capital is mobile. Rich people are mobile. You can tax your way to poverty and over indulge welfare and all sorts of other wasteful crap for sure. Can't believe his policies include nationalising industries. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. And yet people vote for this. Goerge Orwell is turning in his grave. Four legs good two legs better.

Repeat you've almost elected a full on communist.
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gazuty wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:56 am
My view from afar.

Captain obvious- complete stuff up from May who must have campaigned very badly.

Cannot believe you almost elected a communist. Seriously go to YouTube and watch that man espouse the virtues of communism. And there is now a faint possibility he will be in charge of your country. You can't tax your way to prosperity. Capital is mobile. Rich people are mobile. You can tax your way to poverty and over indulge welfare and all sorts of other wasteful crap for sure. Can't believe his policies include nationalising industries. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. And yet people vote for this. Goerge Orwell is turning in his grave. Four legs good two legs better.

Repeat you've almost elected a full on communist.
Left wing populism with no limits, very dangerous and is thought of as progressive politics.

There are not many policies of Corbyn's that every single Labour voter would be supportive of (or give a shit about) in reality, he tapped into the psyche of individual demographics with individual policies, on the flip side it represents brutal collective financial commitments that are unsustainable IMO. But what does this matter, all you have to do is 'HOPE' apparently, idealism over realism.
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gazuty wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:56 am
My view from afar.

Captain obvious- complete stuff up from May who must have campaigned very badly.

Cannot believe you almost elected a communist. Seriously go to YouTube and watch that man espouse the virtues of communism. And there is now a faint possibility he will be in charge of your country. You can't tax your way to prosperity. Capital is mobile. Rich people are mobile. You can tax your way to poverty and over indulge welfare and all sorts of other wasteful crap for sure. Can't believe his policies include nationalising industries. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. And yet people vote for this. Goerge Orwell is turning in his grave. Four legs good two legs better.

Repeat you've almost elected a full on communist.
This is sinking in - fact is many of my generation (and my friends) fully support communist ideas (rebranded under various other headings, 'social justice' etc).
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BBC are reporting a possible Tory leadership challenge on Monday. :o
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Conservative minority is drifting. Out to 1.30 from 1.04
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love how fiona hill is pointing the blame at nick timothy -lol

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It will be interesting to see where the Tory party goes from here. There's no way a hard Brexit can now happen under May, she sought a mandate for it and lost in brutal fashion. It's understandble why Nigel Farage is going around with a face like a smacked ass, he sees his legacy disappearing right in front of his eyes. The thing he's worried about is he knows the longer this process goes on, the less likely the Brexit he desires will be possible. There's good data coming out that indicates that the decision to leave the EU would be reversed tomorrow, if another vote was held. That's due to young people realising that they want to have a say on their future, this mobilisation is going to continue on an upward curve. This will be also reflected in any general election in the near future. The path to a hard Brexit, and the dream of the Tory right - a low wage economy and smashed worker's rights, now looks blocked.
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vankancisco wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:38 pm
It will be interesting to see where the Tory party goes from here. There's no way a hard Brexit can now happen under May, she sought a mandate for it and lost in brutal fashion. It's understandble why Nigel Farage is going around with a face like a smacked ass, he sees his legacy disappearing right in front of his eyes. The thing he's worried about is he knows the longer this process goes on, the less likely the Brexit he desires will be possible. There's good data coming out that indicates that the decision to leave the EU would be reversed tomorrow, if another vote was held. That's due to young people realising that they want to have a say on their future, this mobilisation is going to continue on an upward curve. This will be also reflected in any general election in the near future. The path to a hard Brexit, and the dream of the Tory right - a low wage economy and smashed worker's rights, now looks blocked.
+1 -agreed. apathy in the young is hopefully on the wane and the mission of politics now aimed at reflecting aspiration, rather than holding the status quo. as a father of 4 kids (2 in uni, 2 still at school - we've got bad tv reception up this way!), i'm all for social reform that is inclusive of education and a mandate to retain young talent in the UK. If i were exiting uni this year, i'd more than likely be exploring options kindly offered by international partners (old botany bay ;)).
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I blame our education system for that - it is riddled with teachers who are scumbags, and are only interested in brainwashing kids with lefty bullshit.

These kids seem to think that Communism is a good thing, and anybody right of centre is a fascist - that's purely because of the terrible state of our education system. By the time those students are working for a living, and are stuck with a mortgage and an unhappy marriage, they will realise left-wing politics is dangerous and full of lies (disguised as hope)
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LeTiss wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:56 pm
I blame our education system for that - it is riddled with teachers who are scumbags, and are only interested in brainwashing kids with lefty bullshit.

These kids seem to think that Communism is a good thing, and anybody right of centre is a fascist - that's purely because of the terrible state of our education system. By the time those students are working for a living, and are stuck with a mortgage and an unhappy marriage, they will realise left-wing politics is dangerous and full of lies (disguised as hope)
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Do not fear... things are slowly changing and I believe we are in the beginning of a new world of politics.

Far right doesnt exist in the UK... well its very rare. It pisses me off that stating facts and opinions is seen as being a biggot or a racists.

The only sad thing is we have a long way to go... but I am feeling optimistic that maybe in 15-25 years time saying no to islamic immigrants will not be seen as racist or politically wrong.

I have always wondered how has america and the UK been so advanced in most things and I never really believed it but when you look how the US have trump and we have brexit... we are the first to do it... I will give it 10 years and France, Sweden and Germany will be on there knees asking for our help.

I'll say it first... it will be within 5 years until we have white british non religious or christian bombers against muslims and islam here in the UK.

Lets not split hairs everything in this election was a result of brexit and everything about brexit was to do with islamic/muslim immigrant and ideology in this country. People may say different but the majority of it falls down to this.
The truth is no one can step up and say it.
Lets just be grateful that they all are in the same locations which will eventually become no go areas... the sooner the better.

Just like global warming... you know whats funny... were all concerned about saving our planet but has any of the politically correct even considered population rates in 50 years time. We should be more concerned on controlling immigration and birth rates then gasses in the air right now.
I am all for a green world but there are far more important things right now...

Anyway my moan is over but I am nervous about what will happen before we get there.
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:37 pm
Do not fear... things are slowly changing and I believe we are in the beginning of a new world of politics.

Far right doesnt exist in the UK... well its very rare. It pisses me off that stating facts and opinions is seen as being a biggot or a racists.

really?



I'll say it first... it will be within 5 years until we have white british non religious or christian bombers against muslims and islam here in the UK.
sounds er bit to the right possibly a tad to the far right?
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to75ne wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:44 pm
SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:37 pm
Do not fear... things are slowly changing and I believe we are in the beginning of a new world of politics.

Far right doesnt exist in the UK... well its very rare. It pisses me off that stating facts and opinions is seen as being a biggot or a racists.

really?



I'll say it first... it will be within 5 years until we have white british non religious or christian bombers against muslims and islam here in the UK.
sounds er bit to the right possibly a tad to the far right?
My views are not far right... but lefties do not get it at all. They are about to create a real far right here in the UK.

We are very close to it. What will the UK do when we have not only extreme islam attacking us but its own breed of white doing the same to muslims.

Then we have a serious problem, its going to come and much sooner then we think.

The London mayor has just invested into a huge centre and giving hundreds jobs to tackle online hate... in other words.. its a centre to control and put down British views on Islam and immigration.
This is one step to creating a real far right.
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:52 pm
to75ne wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:44 pm
SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:37 pm
Do not fear... things are slowly changing and I believe we are in the beginning of a new world of politics.

Far right doesnt exist in the UK... well its very rare. It pisses me off that stating facts and opinions is seen as being a biggot or a racists.

really?



I'll say it first... it will be within 5 years until we have white british non religious or christian bombers against muslims and islam here in the UK.
sounds er bit to the right possibly a tad to the far right?
My views are not far right... but lefties do not get it at all. They are about to create a real far right here in the UK.

We are very close to it. What will the UK do when we have not only extreme islam attacking us but its own breed of white doing the same to muslims.

Then we have a serious problem, its going to come and much sooner then we think.

The London mayor has just invested into a huge centre and giving hundreds jobs to tackle online hate... in other words.. its a centre to control and put down British views on Islam and immigration.
This is one step to creating a real far right.
I recently watched a TV documentary about the so called 'Far Right' groups here in the UK.

Most were disorganised lay about ex football thugs.

But one group (I wont mention) seemed rather more professionally funded and resourced. To my actual shock their members included serving Police officers, Soldiers, Hackers, Accountants, Loyalist Terrorists and a Crown Court Judge. I kept pinching myself because I thought I must be watching a reality TV show.

At first the Journalist didn't believe them or what information they could get hold of. So, they asked him for his car License plate number, 1 hour later the group returned, handed him a piece of paper which had his current registered address with the DVLA and who lived there.

The weapons and explosives they had could have only come from one place and was rather worrying to say the least.

It was filmed in 2015 and the groups number at the time was 700+

Becoming a member is very difficult and they carry out extensive background checks due to UK Police and on one occasion USA FBI agent trying to join.

They provided documented evidence of Murders and people who have disappeared since 1987.

I wonder now if they are still active and what there current take would be on the Islamic Terrorist threats. Personally, I wouldn't want to meet any of them in a dark alley way or in broad daylight.
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