Trump refused questions, as he did last time. The press shouldn't bother turning up and giving him propaganda time if he's going to snub them. On the other hand, if he is going to answer questions he'd be better off not turning up.Euler wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:13 amPence got slaughtered last night: -
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I been reading an article on how Trump could still be president, it's slim but not impossible:
Don't shoot the messenger but here's what he may hope to do:
1. Block the vote-certification process in as many states as possible, either through lawsuits or by encouraging Republican officials to object.
2. Convince Republican-controlled legislatures in states Biden narrowly won to dismiss the results of the popular vote as corrupted by widespread fraud.
3. Have the legislature then award their state's Electoral College votes, which are cast by "electors" on 14 December, to Trump instead of Biden.
4. Do that in enough states - Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, for instance - to pull Trump from his current total of 232 electoral votes past the winning 269-vote mark.
5. Even pulling Biden from 306 votes might work, because then the election would be decided in the House of Representatives, where even though it's controlled by the Democrats, Trump would have an advantage due to some arcane rules.
He's applying pressure to people who can potentially change who the states pick for president.
When Americans vote in a presidential election, they are actually voting in a state contest, not a national one. They are voting for state electors who will then cast one vote each for president. These electors usually follow the will of the electorate - in Michigan, for instance, they should all vote for Joe Biden because he won the state.
On Monday, a state canvassing board made up of two Republicans and two Democrats is due to meet to count the votes and officially confirm the 16 electors' votes going to Biden.
The first hint that Trump was applying pressure to individual states to disregard their current vote totals came following reports that he had called Republican officials who had initially refused to certify the election results from Detroit, Michigan's largest city.
That two low-level party officials, among thousands of county canvassers across the US, would speak directly to a US president was more than just a little unusual. They ultimately reversed their decision to block the proceedings - and then, after Trump's call, expressed regret for reversing themselves.
Those hints became clear evidence of intent when the Republican leaders in the Michigan legislature accepted a presidential invitation to visit the White House on Friday.
Don't shoot the messenger but here's what he may hope to do:
1. Block the vote-certification process in as many states as possible, either through lawsuits or by encouraging Republican officials to object.
2. Convince Republican-controlled legislatures in states Biden narrowly won to dismiss the results of the popular vote as corrupted by widespread fraud.
3. Have the legislature then award their state's Electoral College votes, which are cast by "electors" on 14 December, to Trump instead of Biden.
4. Do that in enough states - Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, for instance - to pull Trump from his current total of 232 electoral votes past the winning 269-vote mark.
5. Even pulling Biden from 306 votes might work, because then the election would be decided in the House of Representatives, where even though it's controlled by the Democrats, Trump would have an advantage due to some arcane rules.
He's applying pressure to people who can potentially change who the states pick for president.
When Americans vote in a presidential election, they are actually voting in a state contest, not a national one. They are voting for state electors who will then cast one vote each for president. These electors usually follow the will of the electorate - in Michigan, for instance, they should all vote for Joe Biden because he won the state.
On Monday, a state canvassing board made up of two Republicans and two Democrats is due to meet to count the votes and officially confirm the 16 electors' votes going to Biden.
The first hint that Trump was applying pressure to individual states to disregard their current vote totals came following reports that he had called Republican officials who had initially refused to certify the election results from Detroit, Michigan's largest city.
That two low-level party officials, among thousands of county canvassers across the US, would speak directly to a US president was more than just a little unusual. They ultimately reversed their decision to block the proceedings - and then, after Trump's call, expressed regret for reversing themselves.
Those hints became clear evidence of intent when the Republican leaders in the Michigan legislature accepted a presidential invitation to visit the White House on Friday.
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Get the partyyyyy started....Euler wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:55 pmTrump concedes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8pGE1 ... u.be&t=345
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Trump could actually pull this off if Republican state electors vote for him instead of Biden. It would ofcourse piss off allot of voters and throw the constitution into termoil but I dont think he is worried about that.
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If you've got a bet on Trump you really need to find a wider audience to spread uncertainty.Archery1969 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:04 amTrump could actually pull this off if Republican state electors vote for him instead of Biden. It would ofcourse piss off allot of voters and throw the constitution into termoil but I dont think he is worried about that.
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There's no serious chance of that. Even Republican politicians are getting sick of him and are finding it increasingly difficult to support his allegations, coupled with the fear of a backlash and riots on the streets all over America - it won't happen!
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Derek, what I posted 3 back was on the BBC website, it's a slim chance but given the meetings he had today at the whitehouse it's not 100% shore dunk it couldnt happen. He only needs to flip a few state electors into going against their own state wishes/votes. While they normally do, there is nothing in law to say they have to vote for the candidate that got the most popular votes.Derek27 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:14 amIf you've got a bet on Trump you really need to find a wider audience to spread uncertainty.Archery1969 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:04 amTrump could actually pull this off if Republican state electors vote for him instead of Biden. It would ofcourse piss off allot of voters and throw the constitution into termoil but I dont think he is worried about that.
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There's no serious chance of that. Even Republican politicians are getting sick of him and are finding it increasingly difficult to support his allegations, coupled with the fear of a backlash and riots on the streets all over America - it won't happen!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55020428
This point is key:
"When Americans vote in a presidential election, they are actually voting in a state contest, not a national one. They are voting for state electors who will then cast one vote each for president. These electors usually follow the will of the electorate - in Michigan, for instance, they should all vote for Joe Biden because he won the state." But there is nothing in law to say they are compelled todo so.
There is state law, in some states, that require the popular vote to be upheld in the EC. Don't know how many or which ones but it does close the net on Trump.Archery1969 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:22 amBut there is nothing in law to say they are compelled todo so.
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Derek, i am not against what your saying or want to happen. I am no Trump fan either. What you state above is correct for 24 US states but it has not been agreed in law for the remaining 26 states at all legislative chambers. US politics is complicated. Most presidents do the right thing and conceed. But when a president decides not too then it becomes a total nightmare and he/she can go down many routes which we in the UK would find totally stupid. This could drag on until 19/01/2021 or even further if the 'T' has his way.Derek27 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:29 amThere is state law, in some states, that require the popular vote to be upheld in the EC. Don't know how many or which ones but it does close the net on Trump.Archery1969 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:22 amBut there is nothing in law to say they are compelled todo so.