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Realrocknrolla
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Realrocknrolla wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:33 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 5:05 pm
waywyrd wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 4:50 pm
Hi Goat68,

I've no idea what other members think of this course, but if you want to go back to the real basics of pre-race trading, this may or may not help. :)

https://www.bfscalper.com/

Waywyrd.

I wouldn't advise anyone to pay £90 (or 60, 50, 40, 30, 20 or even a tenner) to 'learn' how to trade from some no name (literally no name to say who is behind the course) website. The voice on the video sounds vaguely familiar though. There used to be a guy doing the rounds when I started trading and he was selling DVD's of him trading live over the course of a couple of months for £400 or £500.

For the record I've yet to see any paid courses or ebooks that come close to what's available for free on the Bet Angel YouTube channel.
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I think this sums up the quality of advice on offer...

Question: How much money do I need as a bank?

Answer: As the money is never at risk, the bank size is up to you.
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Euler wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 3:03 pm
My recommendation to most people is not to get too complicated. All I'm ever doing is trying to get two or more orders matched at different prices. Essentially that's all I'm doing.

I looks for edges in that though, strategy, tactics, execution etc.

We are just exiting the flat season and seeing lots of new horse horses over the jumps. So a selection process is required. Unraced maidens versus competitive well establish handicaps are chalk and cheese from a trading perspective.

Trying to fit a strategy that works on both things at opposite ends of the scale, is almost impossible.
Thanks Peter,
I appreciate your thoughts. With Back to Lay type selection, I feel a bit more in control "manually", and I can use some mental analysis, whereas with the pure algo type automation I was hunting seemed far more unknown and guess work to me! The algo community purest's tend to go for the pick small bits of "value" via 1000's of offers, but I think to find such an edge requires a lot of skill and a good chunk of luck(although some will no doubt argue that!).
Day job time means I need a method that I can fully automate or semi-manual like BackToLay with some night before analysis. I do feel however masses of traders out there are doing BtL,LtB, which usually means the edge disappears. So i'd rather find something more unique...
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Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:10 pm
Is this him?

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/stuart-rourke-312b6571
Maybe.

The guy I was thinking about, I think his name was Jack
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Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:34 pm
Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:10 pm
Is this him?

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/stuart-rourke-312b6571
Maybe.

The guy I was thinking about, I think his name was Jack
Jack Birkhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZ24x72d9g
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Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:34 pm
Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:10 pm
Is this him?

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/stuart-rourke-312b6571
Maybe.

The guy I was thinking about, I think his name was Jack
Jack Birkhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZ24x72d9g
That's the guy!

Looks like he's dropped his prices!

https://sunlurn.com/jack-birkhead-sport ... g-journey/
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You see small stakes :-)
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Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:34 pm
Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:10 pm
Is this him?

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/stuart-rourke-312b6571
Maybe.

The guy I was thinking about, I think his name was Jack
Jack Birkhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZ24x72d9g
Did you know that Caan's first venture was teaming up with Jack?
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Euler wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:29 pm
Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:34 pm


Maybe.

The guy I was thinking about, I think his name was Jack
Jack Birkhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZ24x72d9g
Did you know that Caan's first venture was teaming up with Jack?
Proof that you learn something new every day!

Come to think of it from the few videos I've seen of Jack's they seem to have a similiar trading style
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The (now free) pre-off course on sportstradingexposed by Tomas is similar to the mentioned paid ones but I just looked and it seems to have been taken down.

IMO all of those paid courses are outdated for pre-off markets anyway. They don't tell you the full story and miss out some pieces of the puzzle which makes me wonder if they were ever profitable traders in the first place. You can learn a lot more from the free BetAngel videos on Youtube if you go back and find the right ones
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Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:46 pm
Come to think of it from the few videos I've seen of Jack's they seem to have a similiar trading style
Would that be the style of disproportionately showing all the trades that go right and leaving out the losing ones? :lol:
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One thing about the markets that never changes, is that they are always changing.

I've seen some really stinking advice handed out in recent years. It's just 10-year-old public stuff, put out there again with a new skin and a bit of hype. It's dreadful.

Always the problem with trading is that it's easy to get away with that sort of stuff. Because, even if you give quality advice, it doesn't mean people can follow it. Most of my least liked and watched videos I consider the most valuable lessons.
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Euler wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:01 pm
One thing about the markets that never changes, is that they are always changing.

I've seen some really stinking advice handed out in recent years. It's just 10-year-old public stuff, put out there again with a new skin and a bit of hype. It's dreadful.

Always the problem with trading is that it's easy to get away with that sort of stuff. Because, even if you give quality advice, it doesn't mean people can follow it. Most of my least liked and watched videos I consider the most valuable lessons.
I shall do a BetAngel youtube, "sort by least liked"!
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Trader Pat wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:46 pm
Euler wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 9:29 pm
Emmson wrote:
Tue Oct 12, 2021 6:45 pm


Jack Birkhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGZ24x72d9g
Did you know that Caan's first venture was teaming up with Jack?
Proof that you learn something new every day!

Come to think of it from the few videos I've seen of Jack's they seem to have a similiar trading style
Yep, sporadic for sure.

It looks as though he's trying to allow the market to come to him and then scalp when it retraces, by finding the gaps.

In principle, its an ok strategy, but so is swimming in a pool. Just try it the narrow strid in Yorkshire (100% fatality rate).
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