Trading What I see !?

[goat68]

Trying out some In-Play trades, results for the last 2 days. Fully automated, adapting one of Dallas's shared IP files.

Must admit, I half thought about IP yesterday as close to calling day on pre-race, it seems too hard

An example of one IP race today. (probably a bit lucky) was the Salisbury 1.30 race.

Thanks, i'm taking a look at this IP, and going to give Peter's strategy here a go this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN1WkDSNkrU
Done some research.. do realise it's a high reward:risk, but should be a high strike rate, this is my main area of concern...

Screenshot_28.jpg

I'll just continue this shall I then...?

Screenshot 2021-09-23 at 07.50.56.png

Shaun, you've tried to help me a lot and thank you, however I think there's one lesson we can both learn here that maybe trying to fit one person's trading method to another may not work as the method has to fit that person, i've tried your ideas but failed...
i'm sure your ideas will fit other people

[wearthefoxhat]

Trying out some In-Play trades, results for the last 2 days. Fully automated, adapting one of Dallas's shared IP files.

Must admit, I half thought about IP yesterday as close to calling day on pre-race, it seems too hard

An example of one IP race today. (probably a bit lucky) was the Salisbury 1.30 race.

Thanks, i'm taking a look at this IP, and going to give Peter's strategy here a go this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN1WkDSNkrU
Done some research.. do realise it's a high reward:risk, but should be a high strike rate, this is my main area of concern...

Screenshot_28.jpg

The PW video is a fair starting point. L2B IP as a fixed liability (2% of bank) is okay too. IMO, with B2L, the jury's out on that one, but some traders do very well with it.

Groundhog day...been there for sure...Although. I think I've said that more than once.

[wearthefoxhat]

Trying out some In-Play trades, results for the last 2 days. Fully automated, adapting one of Dallas's shared IP files.



Page1.png




Page2.png



Page3.png

Why did you stop yesterday after the 1510 ?

What’s on the pnl after 1510 that you don’t want us to see, is that when the steam roller moved in ?!

College run. (All 3 pages are shown)

At this stage I like to monitor/watch the trade(s) as it happens. With Betfair's record of downtime and other shenanigans, I'm not ready to let if go without supervision.

[wearthefoxhat]

What’s on the pnl after 1510 that you don’t want us to see, is that when the steam roller moved in ?!

totals.png

[PapaShango]

So you got a bot that wins on 42 of the last 43 races, though you decide to turn it off mid way through the racing, just in case of an outage ?!

[wearthefoxhat]

So you got a bot that wins on 42 of the last 43 races, though you decide to turn it off mid way through the racing, just in case of an outage ?!

Yep, I prefer to supervise it for now.

[rik]

Screenshot_28.jpg

I'll just continue this shall I then...?
Screenshot 2021-09-23 at 07.50.56.png

Shaun, you've tried to help me a lot and thank you, however I think there's one lesson we can both learn here that maybe trying to fit one person's trading method to another may not work as the method has to fit that person, i've tried your ideas but failed...
i'm sure your ideas will fit other people

you had a backfall again? was looking like breakthrough on the greyhounds previous month?

[Realrocknrolla]

So you got a bot that wins on 42 of the last 43 races, though you decide to turn it off mid way through the racing, just in case of an outage ?!

Yep, I prefer to supervise it for now.

Love it!

[Realrocknrolla]

Trying out some In-Play trades, results for the last 2 days. Fully automated, adapting one of Dallas's shared IP files.



Page1.png




Page2.png



Page3.png

Must admit, I half thought about IP yesterday as close to calling day on pre-race, it seems too hard

You have more certainty with IP...

A winner, a place and losers!

Just study how a horse runs.

[Kai]

I'll just continue this shall I then...?
Screenshot 2021-09-23 at 07.50.56.png

Was the losing month (-300) worth the lessons then? Do you feel you got good value for it?

If yes, then completely changing direction again maybe not the best idea.

[goat68]

I'll just continue this shall I then...?
Screenshot 2021-09-23 at 07.50.56.png

Was the losing month (-300) worth the lessons then? Do you feel you got good value for it?

If yes, then completely changing direction again maybe not the best idea.

Trying to work out if the answer is yes or no, I think it's "maybe" ! and i'm not changing direction, as you infer I would be starting from scratch again.
So the dog bot is struggling, August I think was a bit lucky for it. Also horse bot has being rubbish, i've got a new one running now.
The thing is with no-hedge bots, there is the inevitable drawdowns that are normal, but I could do without that stress at the moment!

[arch4672]

I'll just continue this shall I then...?
Screenshot 2021-09-23 at 07.50.56.png

Was the losing month (-300) worth the lessons then? Do you feel you got good value for it?

If yes, then completely changing direction again maybe not the best idea.

Trying to work out if the answer is yes or no, I think it's "maybe" ! and i'm not changing direction, as you infer I would be starting from scratch again.
So the dog bot is struggling, August I think was a bit lucky for it. Also horse bot has being rubbish, i've got a new one running now.
The thing is with no-hedge bots, there is the inevitable drawdowns that are normal, but I could do without that stress at the moment!

Whilst drawdowns are inevitable, I'm not sure that it is normal to have a £300 drawdown with a new bot if the strategy behind it has been well thought out. In the BFLW slack, people with far more experience and success will still start of with small banks (£200) and stakes when trying out a new idea and not expect to lose it. If it's well thought out it, the stakes will naturally grow.

[goat68]

Was the losing month (-300) worth the lessons then? Do you feel you got good value for it?

If yes, then completely changing direction again maybe not the best idea.

Trying to work out if the answer is yes or no, I think it's "maybe" ! and i'm not changing direction, as you infer I would be starting from scratch again.
So the dog bot is struggling, August I think was a bit lucky for it. Also horse bot has being rubbish, i've got a new one running now.
The thing is with no-hedge bots, there is the inevitable drawdowns that are normal, but I could do without that stress at the moment!

Whilst drawdowns are inevitable, I'm not sure that it is normal to have a £300 drawdown with a new bot if the strategy behind it has been well thought out. In the BFLW slack, people with far more experience and success will still start of with small banks (£200) and stakes when trying out a new idea and not expect to lose it. If it's well thought out it, the stakes will naturally grow.

Yeah, so i'm using min stakes £10 Back&Lay liability on Limit orders and trying to keep system drawdowns to -£100. I could try the BetAngel "trick" to use smaller stakes than Betfair minimums, ie.the Back at 1000, cancel a chunk and move, but i'm concerned with not running under a BA subscription that i'd get account restricted quickly doing that.....?

[Kai]

Trying to work out if the answer is yes or no, I think it's "maybe" ! and i'm not changing direction, as you infer I would be starting from scratch again.
So the dog bot is struggling, August I think was a bit lucky for it. Also horse bot has being rubbish, i've got a new one running now.
The thing is with no-hedge bots, there is the inevitable drawdowns that are normal, but I could do without that stress at the moment!

Whilst drawdowns are inevitable, I'm not sure that it is normal to have a £300 drawdown with a new bot if the strategy behind it has been well thought out. In the BFLW slack, people with far more experience and success will still start of with small banks (£200) and stakes when trying out a new idea and not expect to lose it. If it's well thought out it, the stakes will naturally grow.

Yeah, so i'm using min stakes £10 Back&Lay liability on Limit orders and trying to keep system drawdowns to -£100. I could try the BetAngel "trick" to use smaller stakes than Betfair minimums, ie.the Back at 1000, cancel a chunk and move, but i'm concerned with not running under a BA subscription that i'd get account restricted quickly doing that.....?

Yes, but you are actually the one that chooses your staking plan and determines your potential losses in advance, so can't exactly act surprised later or pin the blame on borrowed ideas etc since it's so easy to botch the execution part.

If you find the losses/lessons too expensive, the question is did you really have to pay £300 there last month, or could you learn the same things for like £30 instead? So try to find some answers and adjust accordingly if needed etc.

[goat68]

Whilst drawdowns are inevitable, I'm not sure that it is normal to have a £300 drawdown with a new bot if the strategy behind it has been well thought out. In the BFLW slack, people with far more experience and success will still start of with small banks (£200) and stakes when trying out a new idea and not expect to lose it. If it's well thought out it, the stakes will naturally grow.

Yeah, so i'm using min stakes £10 Back&Lay liability on Limit orders and trying to keep system drawdowns to -£100. I could try the BetAngel "trick" to use smaller stakes than Betfair minimums, ie.the Back at 1000, cancel a chunk and move, but i'm concerned with not running under a BA subscription that i'd get account restricted quickly doing that.....?

Yes, but you are actually the one that chooses your staking plan and determines your potential losses in advance, so can't exactly act surprised later or pin the blame on borrowed ideas etc since it's so easy to botch the execution part.

If you find the losses/lessons too expensive, the question is did you really have to pay £300 there last month, or could you learn the same things for like £30 instead? So try to find some answers and adjust accordingly if needed etc.

I find I the edge dissappears "hedging" because the hedge bet is -EV. And I can't go below min Betfair bet size