Trading What I see !?
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ShaunWhite
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Gambling is predominantly a blue collar pastime and dogs especially are an old man's game (ie not online at home). That demographic are either on their arse broke or dead or stuck indoors. I'm surprised there's any money at all.
And almost everyday there's new and more interesting ways to spend your leisure money. When I used to spend my days in the bookies there was f-all else to do, these days dogs and horses look about as interesting as brass rubbing to anyone under 30.
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ShaunWhite
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I've no idea what their ratings algo is, if it's based around sectional timings then it might run like the wind, albeit giving the rest a 10s head start. I know they also look at winning times but again I'm not sure if they factor in losing times.
It lost, but was it value
Stick that post on the Greyhounds thread and see what guys like Memphis think? There probably aren't many experienced people who bother looking at this thread.
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wearthefoxhat
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ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:09 amI've no idea what their ratings algo is, if it's based around sectional timings then it might run like the wind, albeit giving the rest a 10s head start. I know they also look at winning times but again I'm not sure if they factor in losing times.
It lost, but was it value
Stick that post on the Greyhounds thread and see what guys like Memphis think? There probably aren't many experienced people who bother looking at this thread.
Often than not, once Timeform rate a greyhound as 5 stars, these are overbet (rightly or wrongly), so unlikely any value in those ones. Getting in front of market, before the price moves is one way, but the market makers have usually factored it into the odds line. It then means there's value elsewhere to be had.
Important information given by timeform for each track at the top of the racecard.
Then a review of the ratings can reveal some value when comparing to the betting forecast and live odds nearer the off.
Admittedly, a little bit of effort has to be put in with understanding how a race may be run. A cheeky spreadsheet evaluating the odds comparison and sectionals, will help the process and compare value odds.
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thanks Fox, useful, cheerswearthefoxhat wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:29 amShaunWhite wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 2:09 amI've no idea what their ratings algo is, if it's based around sectional timings then it might run like the wind, albeit giving the rest a 10s head start. I know they also look at winning times but again I'm not sure if they factor in losing times.
It lost, but was it value
Stick that post on the Greyhounds thread and see what guys like Memphis think? There probably aren't many experienced people who bother looking at this thread.
Often than not, once Timeform rate a greyhound as 5 stars, these are overbet (rightly or wrongly), so unlikely any value in those ones. Getting in front of market, before the price moves is one way, but the market makers have usually factored it into the odds line. It then means there's value elsewhere to be had.
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Important information given by timeform for each track at the top of the racecard.
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Then a review of the ratings can reveal some value when comparing to the betting forecast and live odds nearer the off.
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Admittedly, a little bit of effort has to be put in with understanding how a race may be run. A cheeky spreadsheet evaluating the odds comparison and sectionals, will help the process and compare value odds.
Difficult game this greyhound "bot fight"... very frustrating
but thinking about it it's mainly a bot game, there's 100s of bots trading against each other
I've started from the bottom and need to get to the top 10, what are my chances ?!
but thinking about it it's mainly a bot game, there's 100s of bots trading against each other
I've started from the bottom and need to get to the top 10, what are my chances ?!
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ShaunWhite
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Precisely!ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:04 pmAt least Lidl (and Waitrose too if we're not to unduly charterise) pay minimum wage rather than you paying them.
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ShaunWhite
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Getting to the top 5% definitely isn't easy. But why would you think a bot heavy market would be harder than others? There's probably as many bad bots as bad manual punters/traders.
It's fairly standard for people who struggle to look for an external reason, bots, syndicates, spoofing, manipulation etc but the harsh reality is that success or failure is entirely in your own hands. But that's the beauty of trading, it's a meritocracy. It's about your own achievements rather than getting a leg up because you've got the right school tie.
Trying very much to be sexist here but from what I've seen in the past they think it's more fun spending money rather than making it?