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goat68
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jimibt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:33 pm
goat68 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:31 pm
I'm going to research using timeform in my analysis, maybe that's the secret!
dang, was looking for a *shoo, off you trot twinkle toes* emoji - BA, any chance of adding one?? :D
You've lost me? I was being serious
Trader Pat
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Bubace wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:50 pm
this is how i try and trade, im always looking at the other runners , or ones i think are going to be relevent to the price movement.

but take a couple of races ago, the favourite priced at 1.86, second 7.6 and ther rest between 18 and 1000, im sitting thinking that if this favourite comes in the second is going to come out, that happens and the favourite ends up coming into 1.62, i lay the second when the move starts, only for the second to start coming in as well and nothing else seems to be moving? :? its still all a mystery to me im afraid
It's an easy mistake to make. When the favourite comes in something will drift but it doesn't mean it will be the 2nd or even 3rd favourite, could be something further down the book. That's why the market overview is so important for seeing what runners are interacting with each other.
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Morbius
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TraderFred wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:25 pm
Morbius wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:42 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:40 pm


You know I was only yesterday thinking exactly the same thing! :lol:

sorry mate, that reply was for Trader Fred but sod it....I can't be arsed anymore :D
I was only having a bit of fun, Morbius. It was just a little play on the famous “dogs playing poker” painting. Like you say I don’t understand the game at all, though I’m sure it was very difficult back then, and only the sharpest minds could make a living at it. I’d like to apologise if I have offended you, or any of the poker playing dogs from the painting.

I have to say though, I would have expected a top poker champion like yourself to have kept a much cooler head. I didn’t think you would be so easily riled.


I wasn't riled so its OK and no apology needed, I thought you were trolling along with the other guy and that does kind of wind me up a bit when I am on this forum for legitimate reasons to engage with people and learn and if possible to pass on my own knowledge and experience because that's how we escape the 9/5. There are a lot of bad eggs on all forums and I don't know who is who yet.

As for "poker champion" well I had to laugh at that as you clearly don't know much about poker do you :D Calling someone a poker champion is like calling someone a trading champion. Poker is basically split in half between tournament poker which is more marketable for TV and where you see the big prize money and cash games. Well I play cash games so you are largely anonymous unless of course you just happen to have written for numerous poker magazines down the years and been sponsored by several card rooms then you are a little bit more well known :D

As for my choice of poker.....well lets just say that some years ago I invented the term "tournaments for show, cash games for dough" because if you wanted consistent income then you had to play cash games. For traders who think horseracing markets are volatile, they ought to try playing short handed Pot Limit Omaha or Tournament poker for a living :lol:

And that term was mine about cash games for dough because I nicked it from Bobby George who used to say "trebles for show, doubles for dough" but others re-nicked it :lol:

So no.....I am not a poker "champion"......just a very profitable one :)
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Trader Pat wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:37 pm
Bubace wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:50 pm
this is how i try and trade, im always looking at the other runners , or ones i think are going to be relevent to the price movement.

but take a couple of races ago, the favourite priced at 1.86, second 7.6 and ther rest between 18 and 1000, im sitting thinking that if this favourite comes in the second is going to come out, that happens and the favourite ends up coming into 1.62, i lay the second when the move starts, only for the second to start coming in as well and nothing else seems to be moving? :? its still all a mystery to me im afraid
It's an easy mistake to make. When the favourite comes in something will drift but it doesn't mean it will be the 2nd or even 3rd favourite, could be something further down the book. That's why the market overview is so important for seeing what runners are interacting with each other.
i'll open this as well and give it a go see if it helps

not half a lot to keep an eye on though :D
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jimibt
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goat68 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:36 pm
jimibt wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:33 pm
goat68 wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:31 pm
I'm going to research using timeform in my analysis, maybe that's the secret!
dang, was looking for a *shoo, off you trot twinkle toes* emoji - BA, any chance of adding one?? :D
You've lost me? I was being serious
kinda lost myself also (i.e. failed humourous response). BUT, speaking of being lost, this certainly doesn't fail, especially on a friday night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43qB9FpfCR8
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The Silk Run wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:36 pm
Morbius wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:10 pm
MODS......why have posts disappeared from this thread??
Possibly for the well being of all the beautiful angels that use this platform ....
There hasn't been any posts removed from this thread or any other in recent weeks
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Trader Pat wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:37 pm
Bubace wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:50 pm
this is how i try and trade, im always looking at the other runners , or ones i think are going to be relevent to the price movement.

but take a couple of races ago, the favourite priced at 1.86, second 7.6 and ther rest between 18 and 1000, im sitting thinking that if this favourite comes in the second is going to come out, that happens and the favourite ends up coming into 1.62, i lay the second when the move starts, only for the second to start coming in as well and nothing else seems to be moving? :? its still all a mystery to me im afraid
It's an easy mistake to make. When the favourite comes in something will drift but it doesn't mean it will be the 2nd or even 3rd favourite, could be something further down the book. That's why the market overview is so important for seeing what runners are interacting with each other.
sorry quick question about the market overview

whats the risk meter? and whats it refering too? calculating?
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Bubace wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:54 pm

i'll open this as well and give it a go see if it helps

not half a lot to keep an eye on though :D
You can use the micro charts as well if you just want a quick glance at the overall market. Market Overview though is a bit clearer.
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Bubace wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:16 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:37 pm
Bubace wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 3:50 pm
this is how i try and trade, im always looking at the other runners , or ones i think are going to be relevent to the price movement.

but take a couple of races ago, the favourite priced at 1.86, second 7.6 and ther rest between 18 and 1000, im sitting thinking that if this favourite comes in the second is going to come out, that happens and the favourite ends up coming into 1.62, i lay the second when the move starts, only for the second to start coming in as well and nothing else seems to be moving? :? its still all a mystery to me im afraid
It's an easy mistake to make. When the favourite comes in something will drift but it doesn't mean it will be the 2nd or even 3rd favourite, could be something further down the book. That's why the market overview is so important for seeing what runners are interacting with each other.
sorry quick question about the market overview

whats the risk meter? and whats it refering too? calculating?
Here you go
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/risk_meter.html
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I wasn't riled so its OK and no apology needed, I thought you were trolling along with the other guy and that does kind of wind me up a bit when I am on this forum for legitimate reasons to engage with people and learn and if possible to pass on my own knowledge and experience because that's how we escape the 9/5. There are a lot of bad eggs on all forums and I don't know who is who yet.

As for "poker champion" well I had to laugh at that as you clearly don't know much about poker do you :D Calling someone a poker champion is like calling someone a trading champion. Poker is basically split in half between tournament poker which is more marketable for TV and where you see the big prize money and cash games. Well I play cash games so you are largely anonymous unless of course you just happen to have written for numerous poker magazines down the years and been sponsored by several card rooms then you are a little bit more well known :D

As for my choice of poker.....well lets just say that some years ago I invented the term "tournaments for show, cash games for dough" because if you wanted consistent income then you had to play cash games. For traders who think horseracing markets are volatile, they ought to try playing short handed Pot Limit Omaha or Tournament poker for a living :lol:

And that term was mine about cash games for dough because I nicked it from Bobby George who used to say "trebles for show, doubles for dough" but others re-nicked it :lol:

So no.....I am not a poker "champion"......just a very profitable one :)
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Correct, Morbius. I don’t know very much about poker.

Which is why you won’t find me on the pokerstars forum, lecturing newbies about where they are going wrong.
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