See this at times, any bet I'm placing on a specific market immediately gets a bet (same sized) placed just in front of my order.
With a conspiracy view of it, this is a 'stalker' bot, as it only seems to be doing it when I place an order...(?)
Do any others see this type of behaviour appearing in their markets?
Leapfrogging bots
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Just to clarify, I don't really think this is a personal stalker bot (just appears that way).
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Plenty do use 'leap frog' bots/servants
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Yes, I did know the general principle was fairly common - it was just the seemingly rather attached nature (to my own specific moves) that I noticed.Dallas wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:21 amPlenty do use 'leap frog' bots/servants
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It still did it just then I noticed, even though others are in the market, when I moved a price lower in a back (but not as low as some other requests) the bot tracked me and moved just in front of me.
That is more odd.
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Realise this sounds a bit 'tin foil hat' - so was rather wondering instead what is the algo that finds my bets attractive to follow...
You could enter your money, notice the increase, then remove your money (one second later)and see if the BOTS funds hold in position. If there is an advantage to you then take it off them.
Not really related to the conversation but I'd like to see a ladder column that recored every £ that was ever entered at a price and what % of that amount gets matched. Just to see if there was fake money in the ladder and where it was going.
Example
Price /Total £ Entered /Total % Matched
2.06 £25,000 37%
2.08 £14,000 40%
2.10 £40,000 20%
2.12 £50,000 25%
Not even sure how relevant it would be but Id like to know what % of money placed in the market actually gets matched and what gets withdraw and how that effects the direction of the ladder. Guess we will never know.
Not really related to the conversation but I'd like to see a ladder column that recored every £ that was ever entered at a price and what % of that amount gets matched. Just to see if there was fake money in the ladder and where it was going.
Example
Price /Total £ Entered /Total % Matched
2.06 £25,000 37%
2.08 £14,000 40%
2.10 £40,000 20%
2.12 £50,000 25%
Not even sure how relevant it would be but Id like to know what % of money placed in the market actually gets matched and what gets withdraw and how that effects the direction of the ladder. Guess we will never know.
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I was trying exactly that at times in fact - and like you suggest, as soon as I cancelled my own order the 'leapfrogger' money suddenly disappeared each time.
End of the day, not a massive concern, as it was small amounts in a weak market, but just of interest to me that something was responding to my bets so directly.
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This happens a lot. I assume it is bots that work by always offering the best possible reverse market price up to a set limit of value. They will continue to jump ahead of you until they reach a set price, and will retreat again if you cancel always sitting 1 tick better than the next best price.stueytrader wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:40 pmI was trying exactly that at times in fact - and like you suggest, as soon as I cancelled my own order the 'leapfrogger' money suddenly disappeared each time.
End of the day, not a massive concern, as it was small amounts in a weak market, but just of interest to me that something was responding to my bets so directly.