Irish liquidity

[stueytrader]

I thought it was because Irish racing is more bent.

That perception was part of my thought about this question, though was waiting for someone else to mention it.

[ANGELS15]

I thought it was because Irish racing is more bent.

That perception was part of my thought about this question, though was waiting for someone else to mention it.

I've heard punters in shops complaining that racing is bent, in particular Irish racing. One old boy called it a 'racket'. I must say in my own personal experience I absolutely love it for the opportunties it presents. I find that I am more likely to get a run for my money.

Also in non handicap events I am more likely to get a better price about a runner in Ireland than an equivalent horse in a UK race. Time and again I've spotted horses in these types of races offered at odds against when if they were the UK equivalent would be odds on. Just the other day I traded something that I thought if it was in the UK would be around 6/1 but it went off at 14/1 and won. I do realise though everyone's experience is different.

[to75ne]

is because punters are creatures of habit who believe they know what they are betting on. form experts etc - thank the lord they dont.

That is the irony, if that is the main explanation - because in reality most punters have precisely 0 real knowledge edge over a race taking place 300 miles away in a Scottish track either.

I'm still a little puzzled that punters would think they 'know' about racing at Hamilton when they live in London...

Hamilton being in mainland Britain is under the auspices of the BHA, and british racing is given much greater expose in uk betting shops and their tv ads, the national press, national tv then irish racing (quite rightly) which is under the auspices of racing ireland (including the 3 northern irish tracks).
If you go into a british betting shop (I assume they are still the same) the walls are plastered with the relevant pages from the racing post display the days race cards etc, and the football particularly the premier league. Stuck in a dark corner somewhere you will find the page for irish racing (usually none on Mondays and most Tuesdays a single meeting most days except Saturday), which as less coverage than cricket, darts and greyhound racing.
British punters have a very little exposure to irish racing (both codes). They are bombarded with british racing and being creatures of habit and not very discerning irish racing does not attract large volumes from the british.
Ireland as a very small population compared to Britain, all the punting money gets split with the various bookies and tiny bit on exchanges, there is not enough punters to go round to create decent volumes on all irish races.

[to75ne]

I thought it was because Irish racing is more bent.

why do you think irish are more corrupt than the british on what basis?

corruption in racing(race fixing etc) usually occurs in lower grade racing with smaller prize money and less popular tracks. its easier to fix a race at wolverhamton than royal ascot - less eyes looking.

[Derek27]

is because punters are creatures of habit who believe they know what they are betting on. form experts etc - thank the lord they dont.

That is the irony, if that is the main explanation - because in reality most punters have precisely 0 real knowledge edge over a race taking place 300 miles away in a Scottish track either.

I'm still a little puzzled that punters would think they 'know' about racing at Hamilton when they live in London...

It doesn't make any difference whether a horse runs at Exeter or Perth, form coverage in all publications is equal. Nobody goes to their local racetrack and only cares about horses running there. The main reason I ignored the low-grade racing in Ireland when I was a bettor is that there's way to much of it over here!

[ANGELS15]

is because punters are creatures of habit who believe they know what they are betting on. form experts etc - thank the lord they dont.

That is the irony, if that is the main explanation - because in reality most punters have precisely 0 real knowledge edge over a race taking place 300 miles away in a Scottish track either.

I'm still a little puzzled that punters would think they 'know' about racing at Hamilton when they live in London...

Hamilton being in mainland Britain is under the auspices of the BHA, and british racing is given much greater expose in uk betting shops and their tv ads, the national press, national tv then irish racing (quite rightly) which is under the auspices of racing ireland (including the 3 northern irish tracks).
If you go into a british betting shop (I assume they are still the same) the walls are plastered with the relevant pages from the racing post display the days race cards etc, and the football particularly the premier league. Stuck in a dark corner somewhere you will find the page for irish racing (usually none on Mondays and most Tuesdays a single meeting most days except Saturday), which as less coverage than cricket, darts and greyhound racing.
British punters have a very little exposure to irish racing (both codes). They are bombarded with british racing and being creatures of habit and not very discerning irish racing does not attract large volumes from the british.
Ireland as a very small population compared to Britain, all the punting money gets split with the various bookies and tiny bit on exchanges, there is not enough punters to go round to create decent volumes on all irish races.

Very true. I think another important point is that Betfair users seem to be in an alomost unique situation in the UK. By that I mean we're not really limited. US punters can't use Betfair in the states. Australian punters can't bet in-running and Betfair seem to have pulled out or are pulling out of the EU countries. It stands to reason that the majority of customers/traders will focus on UK racing.

[stueytrader]

Can partly see the coverage issues, even though I still don't think there's that big a difference personally between Ireland and UK in what an average punter is presented with each day. There's less races run overall of course.

I don't think the ruling body has anything much to do with it, as most punters barely notice that IMO.

[to75ne]

Can partly see the coverage issues, even though I still don't think there's that big a difference personally between Ireland and UK in what an average punter is presented with each day. There's less races run overall of course.

I don't think the ruling body has anything much to do with it, as most punters barely notice that IMO.

go and have a look in a betting shop and you will see the difference in coverage.

[stueytrader]

But there's less Irish racing overall, I get that - so obviously a bit less coverage in terms of racing pages on display.

Or did you mean something beyond that in terms of what is 'presented'?

[to75ne]

But there's less Irish racing overall, I get that - so obviously a bit less coverage in terms of racing pages on display.

Or did you mean something beyond that in terms of what is 'presented'?

not a bit less, there are acers of pages on british racing, usually one for irish racing.

[stueytrader]

But there's less Irish racing overall, I get that - so obviously a bit less coverage in terms of racing pages on display.

Or did you mean something beyond that in terms of what is 'presented'?

not a bit less, there are acers of pages on british racing, usually one for irish racing.

So, you'd say it is racing press coverage that makes the biggest difference then?

[to75ne]

yes plus punters tend to be creatures of habit, they stick with what they know.

the british punters mostly mugs will tend to back horses in the uk (barring northern ireland) cause thats where they know - its there own dirt/land epecially if their fav jockery is riding a horse whos saddle cloth number is their birthday, or the owner comes from their own town, or some bloke told them it was gonna win cause he knows someone the yard and so and so on.

the irish punters mostly mugs will tend to back horses in ireland cause thats where they know - its there own dirt/land epecially if their fav jockery is riding a horse whos saddle cloth number is their birthday, or the owner comes from their own town, or some bloke told them it was gonna win cause he knows someone the yard and so and so on.

[Trader Pat]

Speaking as an Irishman I have to say I'm really disappointed in this thread

When I saw the title I thought it was an homage to Guinness

[to75ne]

Speaking as an Irishman I have to say I'm really disappointed in this thread

When I saw the title I thought it was an homage to Guinness

speaking of which nearly time for a couple.

[Trader Pat]

Speaking as an Irishman I have to say I'm really disappointed in this thread

When I saw the title I thought it was an homage to Guinness

speaking of which nearly time for a couple.

Its always Guinness time