Lay the Over 2.5 Goals & Green Up Guardian Automation Bot

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harrysson
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Some help for a Bet Angel newbie/computer dummy would be geatly appreciated. I have used this baf file a few times and it has worked ok including 2 just before the one I am about to refer to. Yesterday I also ran it on the Burnley v Arsenal game which ended 0-0, and I was surprised later to find my Betfair (BF) profit and loss account showed a net loss on the trade - there should have been a small profit. On examining the BF statement in more detail I see that 2 back bets of the same amount, and at the same time, have been recorded by BF - whereas there should have been only 1? On looking at the baf file I notice that the green up trigger rule refers to "up to 2 times (10 secs rearm delay)". Could that lead to 2 similar back bets being placed by mistake to green up and is that what may have happened here? Would just once be better, and if that is right how does one write it into the trigger rule? Sorry but this is a "computer dummy" asking?! Many thanks.
harrysson
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An addendum to the above post. I have since read that changing the rearm trigger from 10 seconds to 15 seconds might solve potential issues such as the one I encountered. I notice there is also an option to use the"optimise greening" facility. Would that be recommended when using this baf file? Thanks.
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harrysson wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:15 pm
Some help for a Bet Angel newbie/computer dummy would be geatly appreciated. I have used this baf file a few times and it has worked ok including 2 just before the one I am about to refer to. Yesterday I also ran it on the Burnley v Arsenal game which ended 0-0, and I was surprised later to find my Betfair (BF) profit and loss account showed a net loss on the trade - there should have been a small profit. On examining the BF statement in more detail I see that 2 back bets of the same amount, and at the same time, have been recorded by BF - whereas there should have been only 1? On looking at the baf file I notice that the green up trigger rule refers to "up to 2 times (10 secs rearm delay)". Could that lead to 2 similar back bets being placed by mistake to green up and is that what may have happened here? Would just once be better, and if that is right how does one write it into the trigger rule? Sorry but this is a "computer dummy" asking?! Many thanks.
If you were trading on a lower league fixture where the in-play bet delay is longer than 10 secs then yes you'd need to increase that re-arm time, or if using stakes below the £2 min (even for greening up) as this doubles the length of the delay. So even on Premier League matches with a 5-sec delay using sub £2 bets the delay becomes 10 secs and that could cause a 2nd green up to be trigger just before your first arrives in the market and gets matched
harrysson
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Sorry to be a nuisance and apologies if this a daft question, but as a newbie I am trying to get my head round how these (very new to me) rules work in practice. So referring to your answer, how do I know what the "in play delay" is. Does it vary eg 10 secs for lower leagues but less for "higher" leagues, or is set somewhere in the bot. Also whilst I am here is it better to use "optimise greening" with these bets? Many thanks.
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harrysson wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:19 pm
Sorry to be a nuisance and apologies if this a daft question, but as a newbie I am trying to get my head round how these (very new to me) rules work in practice. So referring to your answer, how do I know what the "in play delay" is. Does it vary eg 10 secs for lower leagues but less for "higher" leagues, or is set somewhere in the bot. Also whilst I am here is it better to use "optimise greening" with these bets? Many thanks.
It varies depending on country and league, there is a lost of a few of them here
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11148

Optimised greening is only for 2 runner markets, so can be used on over/under but not match odds markets, it's explained further in this blog
https://www.betangel.com/blog/betfair-t ... -cash-out/
harrysson
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Many thanks, very helpful.
Calvinm55
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Hi Guys,

Looking for help or pointed in the right direction for a simple bot:

Back O2.5 market when score is 0-0 after 15 mins, Then Green up when 2 goals have been scored.

Any help would be appreciated Thanks.

Calv
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Calvinm55 wrote:
Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:16 am
Hi Guys,

Looking for help or pointed in the right direction for a simple bot:

Back O2.5 market when score is 0-0 after 15 mins, Then Green up when 2 goals have been scored.

Any help would be appreciated Thanks.

Calv
Maybe start with this one (and remove the 2nd rule)
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=20508

Then you could add the 'Signal goals' rules from this thread
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12490
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rossco10
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Hi All
Will the automation if changed to back the over 2.5 goals first instead of Lay, with the green up instruction being unchanged, still work?
Thanks
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rossco10 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:42 am
Hi All
Will the automation if changed to back the over 2.5 goals first instead of Lay, with the green up instruction being unchanged, still work?
Thanks
Yes, It's just a case of changing the rule type from 'Place a lay bet' to 'Place a back bet'
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rossco10
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Thanks!
maxblack
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The disaster occured yesterday
Sparta Prague v Pardubice

15 mins score is 1-0 and I have a small red. Away score before the bot can get the back bet in so it then trades me out for a much greater loss. After a lengthy delay the goal is disallowed by VAR and the market re-sets but too late for me and I am looking at very nasty red screen. Anyway of preventing this from happening again?

Thanks

max
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maxblack wrote:
Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:30 am
The disaster occured yesterday
Sparta Prague v Pardubice

15 mins score is 1-0 and I have a small red. Away score before the bot can get the back bet in so it then trades me out for a much greater loss. After a lengthy delay the goal is disallowed by VAR and the market re-sets but too late for me and I am looking at very nasty red screen. Anyway of preventing this from happening again?

Thanks

max
VAR is a nightmare for manual traders and for automation trader even worse and there's not really a simple way around it.

You could use Stored Values to look at your P/L and if there's a big jump flag it, then if a reversal occurs react to it. The problem though is that could be as the results of an equalizing goal rather than a disallowed VAR and you end up making the situation worse
maxblack
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Thank you for a prompt reply and I will try what you suggest

max
Kazbet
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Been using this bot with some sucess but occasionally it does not work and greens up twice.This is one today.

This was Preston v Luton today.

0-0 at half tme so should have greened up at 15.16 for a profit.
It looks like it placed another back bet (green up ) as well and the game ended 0-1 with the goal scored 83 minute giving a loss ?

Green up trigger is set to trigger twice and allow 10 sec in between

20/03/2021 14:59:15: [G_Auto] : £ 17.36 Lay bet placed on Over 2.5 Goals at 2.44. Fully matched at 2.44. Ref:
20/03/2021 15:01:39: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
20/03/2021 15:01:39: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
20/03/2021 15:01:39: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
20/03/2021 15:16:44: [G_Auto] : Greened up Over 2.5 Goals by Backing 13.89 at 3.05
20/03/2021 15:16:54: [G_Auto] : Greened up Over 2.5 Goals by Backing 13.89 at 3.05

Any Ideas whats happening and how to avoid it
Help appreciated
Thanks
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