Signal when Goals are Scored Guardian Automation Bot

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Dallas wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:11 pm
The original file in this thread tests for goals by looking at the movement in draw odds to count the number of goals a team is ahead by … Or are you referring to a comment I've made within the thread somewhere?
Well there you go, knock me down with a kipper … I never thought about it, I just assumed rows 1,2 and 3 were Home, Draw and Away respectively as the 'normal' protocol is! I actually never checked it and clearly had never taken that much notice on the Betfair page! So where my post refers to "Away" it should have referred to "Draw"! Sorry for being so silly and thanks you for handling it so sensitively! :lol:
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:01 pm
Dallas wrote:
Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:11 pm
The original file in this thread tests for goals by looking at the movement in draw odds to count the number of goals a team is ahead by … Or are you referring to a comment I've made within the thread somewhere?
Well there you go, knock me down with a kipper … I never thought about it, I just assumed rows 1,2 and 3 were Home, Draw and Away respectively as the 'normal' protocol is! I actually never checked it and clearly had never taken that much notice on the Betfair page! So where my post refers to "Away" it should have referred to "Draw"! Sorry for being so silly and thanks you for handling it so sensitively! :lol:
Its a easy mistake to make, and if you were using Betdaq it would have been the right assumption, they do have it Home, Draw, Away.
I've never been sure why BF decided to put the draw in row 3 :)
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Hi Dallas,

Thank you for uploading the signal files and for the (ongoing) explanations of the uses. I think I'm doing something daft and I was hoping you might be able to advise me?

I'm trying to place a back bet in the over 1.5 market at 15 mins if the score is 0-0. I've created the attached rules and applied them to various markets but it triggers the back bet at 15 mins irrespective of the score line.

I'd be most grateful if you could have a quick look please?

Many thanks, Jim
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James2000 wrote:
Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:59 pm
Hi Dallas,

Thank you for uploading the signal files and for the (ongoing) explanations of the uses. I think I'm doing something daft and I was hoping you might be able to advise me?

I'm trying to place a back bet in the over 1.5 market at 15 mins if the score is 0-0. I've created the attached rules and applied them to various markets but it triggers the back bet at 15 mins irrespective of the score line.

I'd be most grateful if you could have a quick look please?

Many thanks, Jim
Just a very minor thing (and often done)

The signal is being set on the market
The condition on the back rule is looking for a signal set on a selection.

So just needs that changing to market and it should be fine
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Brilliant, thank you very much. I noticed I was also trying the program on markets where a goal had already been scored but obviously the rule must be active during the goal for the signal to detect the odds shift. All sorted now. :)
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Hiya

ANybody use this on the over 4.5 5.5 and 6.5?

Have you found any tick moves that are consistent?

obviously on the 4.5 to 6.5 markets the price does not move a great deal when a goal goes in
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What if a match is 1-1 on HT, what conditions should I have?

Thanks
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johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:17 pm
What if a match is 1-1 on HT, what conditions should I have?

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For example if you created a rule which lays the draw at half time rule (if it was a draw) then adding the condition as detailed below;

'Signal value condition' is 'equal' to 0
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Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:22 pm
johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:17 pm
What if a match is 1-1 on HT, what conditions should I have?

Thanks
Copied from the OP

For example if you created a rule which lays the draw at half time rule (if it was a draw) then adding the condition as detailed below;

'Signal value condition' is 'equal' to 0
There was a game that was 1-1 on HT but didn't do anything, could you please look at this log?


09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:08:01: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:08:02: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:09:03: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 1
09/11/2020 16:23:53: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:23:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:25:06: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 0
09/11/2020 16:26:36: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -1
09/11/2020 16:28:14: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -2


(didn't appear anything more on log after this, and the game is at 69 minutes from now)

Thanks m8
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johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:24 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:22 pm
johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:17 pm
What if a match is 1-1 on HT, what conditions should I have?

Thanks
Copied from the OP

For example if you created a rule which lays the draw at half time rule (if it was a draw) then adding the condition as detailed below;

'Signal value condition' is 'equal' to 0
There was a game that was 1-1 on HT but didn't do anything, could you please look at this log?


09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:08:01: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:08:02: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:09:03: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 1
09/11/2020 16:23:53: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:23:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:25:06: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 0
09/11/2020 16:26:36: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -1
09/11/2020 16:28:14: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -2


(didn't appear anything more on log after this, and the game is at 69 minutes from now)

Thanks m8
Looking at the exact 30 second gap between the 0 and -1 signal its suggesting the market hadn't fully formed again so still getting big swings in the price which looked to the rule like another goal was scored.
If it was a lower quality game with lower matched volumes you were trading on (and intending to use the file on) you may need to build in some more conditions to make it more reliable - its currently set up more for higher volume games
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Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:36 pm
johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:24 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:22 pm


Copied from the OP

For example if you created a rule which lays the draw at half time rule (if it was a draw) then adding the condition as detailed below;

'Signal value condition' is 'equal' to 0
There was a game that was 1-1 on HT but didn't do anything, could you please look at this log?


09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:08:01: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:08:02: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:09:03: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 1
09/11/2020 16:23:53: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:23:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:25:06: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 0
09/11/2020 16:26:36: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -1
09/11/2020 16:28:14: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -2


(didn't appear anything more on log after this, and the game is at 69 minutes from now)

Thanks m8
Looking at the exact 30 second gap between the 0 and -1 signal its suggesting the market hadn't fully formed again so still getting big swings in the price which looked to the rule like another goal was scored.
If it was a lower quality game with lower matched volumes you were trading on (and intending to use the file on) you may need to build in some more conditions to make it more reliable - its currently set up more for higher volume games
The game has 28.000€ matched in...

Which conditions would you suggest to put in?
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johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:37 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:36 pm
johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:24 pm


There was a game that was 1-1 on HT but didn't do anything, could you please look at this log?


09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 15:49:37: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:08:01: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:08:02: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:09:03: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 1
09/11/2020 16:23:53: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
09/11/2020 16:23:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
09/11/2020 16:25:06: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = 0
09/11/2020 16:26:36: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -1
09/11/2020 16:28:14: [G_Auto] : Automation Signal for market: goal = -2


(didn't appear anything more on log after this, and the game is at 69 minutes from now)

Thanks m8
Looking at the exact 30 second gap between the 0 and -1 signal its suggesting the market hadn't fully formed again so still getting big swings in the price which looked to the rule like another goal was scored.
If it was a lower quality game with lower matched volumes you were trading on (and intending to use the file on) you may need to build in some more conditions to make it more reliable - its currently set up more for higher volume games
The game has 28.000€ matched in...

Which conditions would you suggest to put in?
A volume of 28'000euro would be considered very low for a football match at HT.

Typically a premier league match would be in the region of at least 834'000euros and up to to 3'000'000euros before KO
With other top level European league matches also matching at least 250'000euros before KO

In terms of what other conditions you can put in place, for games with the volume level you referred to you may need a few, but I'd start with extending the time since unsuspended condition
Then adding the following

'Relative Odds Condition'
Selections back price
is equal to
selections lay price
minus 1 tick

and see how that goes
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Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:03 pm
johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:37 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:36 pm


Looking at the exact 30 second gap between the 0 and -1 signal its suggesting the market hadn't fully formed again so still getting big swings in the price which looked to the rule like another goal was scored.
If it was a lower quality game with lower matched volumes you were trading on (and intending to use the file on) you may need to build in some more conditions to make it more reliable - its currently set up more for higher volume games
The game has 28.000€ matched in...

Which conditions would you suggest to put in?
A volume of 28'000euro would be considered very low for a football match at HT.

Typically a premier league match would be in the region of at least 834'000euros and up to to 3'000'000euros before KO
With other top level European league matches also matching at least 250'000euros before KO

In terms of what other conditions you can put in place, for games with the volume level you referred to you may need a few, but I'd start with extending the time since unsuspended condition
Then adding the following

'Relative Odds Condition'
Selections back price
is equal to
selections lay price
minus 1 tick

and see how that goes
Those should be applied on the "Lay the draw" Rule?

Thank you m8
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johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:16 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:03 pm
johnnyyyf1 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 5:37 pm


The game has 28.000€ matched in...

Which conditions would you suggest to put in?
A volume of 28'000euro would be considered very low for a football match at HT.

Typically a premier league match would be in the region of at least 834'000euros and up to to 3'000'000euros before KO
With other top level European league matches also matching at least 250'000euros before KO

In terms of what other conditions you can put in place, for games with the volume level you referred to you may need a few, but I'd start with extending the time since unsuspended condition
Then adding the following

'Relative Odds Condition'
Selections back price
is equal to
selections lay price
minus 1 tick

and see how that goes
Those should be applied on the "Lay the draw" Rule?

Thank you m8
No, those instructions were regarding the signal rule, just so the signal wasn't triggered/set premeturly
RSD_1990
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Sorry, hijacking this thread rather than starting another one.

The signals file, can i just copy this and add it to my existing automation which I have in place to back the overs at half time?

I have the odds at a fixed odds anyway so the automation shouldn't kick in anyway, but to have the signal there too would be helpful. I presume I can just copy it across and put it to the top of the rules?

Thanks
Ryan
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