Lay the 1st Set Winner Guardian Automation Bot for Tennis

TraderAaron
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Nope, automation was left to run without any interference and was the only market i was monitoring in guardian at the time.

I'm glad its not something glaringly obvious and I'm not being stupid.

I'm starting to think it could have been a mini network outage on either my side or Betfair's side. There's no other reasonable explanation? Although it still should have triggered the rule right? Even if the bet didn't reach the market. In the automation tab it hadn't triggered.
sniffer66
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Possibly.

I'd still go with the previous suggestion of Lay bets > £x though just to be sure. If its the only lay going in it could even be > £0

Though, what happens if you arent fully matched ? Like I said before I'd lay and then calc my P&L on that player using a stored value. Then you can use that value to calc the value of the back based on the price you are eventually backing at

I had a discussion with Dallas re doing similar here

viewtopic.php?f=37&t=21985&p=234735&hil ... ty#p234735

Works fine as discussed. To create your free bet you could then just back to 100%
TraderAaron
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Yeah I see what you mean. However, the signal changed condition allows the market to settle during the interval between sets and my stake is tiny compared to the amounts thrown around on the markets so it will get matched. If i ever get to the stage where I can throw around big stakes then i will definitely need to look into this.

But for now, why didn't this rule trigger? :cry:
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TraderAaron wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:04 am
Yeah I see what you mean. However, the signal changed condition allows the market to settle during the interval between sets and my stake is tiny compared to the amounts thrown around on the markets so it will get matched. If i ever get to the stage where I can throw around big stakes then i will definitely need to look into this.

But for now, why didn't this rule trigger? :cry:
Yeah, I do the same on the settle, though I extend mine out quite a bit longer. On bigger stakes the extra ticks can make quite a difference on profit

Still stuck on the reason why. All I can suggest is play around with using a different condition for the Lay= £10 and see if it makes any difference - a few different ways you can cut that one. Even take it out to test, if you are 100% convinced you will get matched i.e lay at 2nd/3rd best market price
dustybearuk
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Is it possible to change this to lay either 1st set winner?
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Dallas
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dustybearuk wrote:
Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:46 am
Is it possible to change this to lay either 1st set winner?
Yes, you need to remove the first 'Fix order rule'
Then apply the remaining rules to ANY selection
PeeBee74
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Hi Dallas
I wondered if you could check the attached for me. My intention is to use it on 2 evenly-matched players if I think it will be a close game, and so would want to lay the 1st set winner regardless of who it is.

Tonight on Thompson v Harris, it laid Thompson, but the back bets didn't fire when Harris broke him in set 2. I think the problem is the bottom of the general tab - applies to player in position 1 (favouritism). I think Thompson, after being broken, was no longer the favourite and went slightly above odds of 2.
To solve this would I change this to "Any Selection"?
As ever, many thanks.
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PeeBee74 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:44 pm
Hi Dallas
I wondered if you could check the attached for me. My intention is to use it on 2 evenly-matched players if I think it will be a close game, and so would want to lay the 1st set winner regardless of who it is.

Tonight on Thompson v Harris, it laid Thompson, but the back bets didn't fire when Harris broke him in set 2. I think the problem is the bottom of the general tab - applies to player in position 1 (favouritism). I think Thompson, after being broken, was no longer the favourite and went slightly above odds of 2.
To solve this would I change this to "Any Selection"?
As ever, many thanks.
If you add a 'Fix Order of market selections' rule and arm it to trigger 1 time at the start time
You can then leave the rest of the rules as they are - it won't matter how the odds move in-play the pre match fav will always be fav for the purposes of rules applied to it
PeeBee74
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Sorry Dallas - I'm confused. I don't care who the pre-match fave is, so I am not sure I need to fix the order of favoritism do I?
The back bets are currently aimed at the favourite. I think the problem is that may not be the player I want to back, and fixing the order still doesn't guarantee the back bets get aimed at the right player. I hope that makes sense.
Which is why I asked if changing the "applies to selection" drop-down to "any selection" - presumably this would only result in back bets against the player already laid, and not the player without a lay bet against them already
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PeeBee74 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:49 pm
Sorry Dallas - I'm confused. I don't care who the pre-match fave is, so I am not sure I need to fix the order of favoritism do I?
The back bets are currently aimed at the favourite. I think the problem is that may not be the player I want to back, and fixing the order still doesn't guarantee the back bets get aimed at the right player. I hope that makes sense.
Which is why I asked if changing the "applies to selection" drop-down to "any selection" - presumably this would only result in back bets against the player already laid, and not the player without a lay bet against them already
You could do it either way tbh, if you wanted to use 'ANY' selection you'd need to change all three of the betting rules, I think the conditions currently used will identify the back bets will trigger on the correct player so nothing to change on there
charlespeter
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Forgive my ignorance, but I won't to lay the 1st set winner for £50 rather than £10. I have changed that amount and increased the back bets to match. What do I do with the conditions that only allow the back rule to operate if the matched bet on the selection is £10. Do I change this to £50 to match the original lay bet, or leave it as it is

Kind regards
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charlespeter wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:53 pm
Forgive my ignorance, but I won't to lay the 1st set winner for £50 rather than £10. I have changed that amount and increased the back bets to match. What do I do with the conditions that only allow the back rule to operate if the matched bet on the selection is £10. Do I change this to £50 to match the original lay bet, or leave it as it is

Kind regards
Yes, the condition also needs changing to match whatever stake you want to use
charlespeter
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:D
Dallas wrote:
Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:20 am
charlespeter wrote:
Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:53 pm
Forgive my ignorance, but I won't to lay the 1st set winner for £50 rather than £10. I have changed that amount and increased the back bets to match. What do I do with the conditions that only allow the back rule to operate if the matched bet on the selection is £10. Do I change this to £50 to match the original lay bet, or leave it as it is

Kind regards
Yes, the condition also needs changing to match whatever stake you want to use
:D :D :D
mordenboy
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I tried this today. It greened twice, turning a green into a loss. It didn't fire the back bets, as the scores stayed level until Konta lost the tie break and it greened twice.

17/08/2021 16:10:50: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
17/08/2021 16:10:50: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
17/08/2021 16:11:15: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
17/08/2021 16:50:21: [G_Auto] : £ 10.00 Lay bet placed on Johanna Konta at 1.43. Fully matched at 1.42. Ref: 241322733710
17/08/2021 19:16:13: [G_Auto] : Greened up Johanna Konta by Backing 5.97 at 2.38
17/08/2021 19:16:34: [G_Auto] : Greened up Johanna Konta by Backing 6.02 at 2.36
17/08/2021 19:53:02: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended

What would be the way to ensure this doesn't hapen again?
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mordenboy wrote:
Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:21 pm
I tried this today. It greened twice, turning a green into a loss. It didn't fire the back bets, as the scores stayed level until Konta lost the tie break and it greened twice.

17/08/2021 16:10:50: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
17/08/2021 16:10:50: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
17/08/2021 16:11:15: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
17/08/2021 16:50:21: [G_Auto] : £ 10.00 Lay bet placed on Johanna Konta at 1.43. Fully matched at 1.42. Ref: 241322733710
17/08/2021 19:16:13: [G_Auto] : Greened up Johanna Konta by Backing 5.97 at 2.38
17/08/2021 19:16:34: [G_Auto] : Greened up Johanna Konta by Backing 6.02 at 2.36
17/08/2021 19:53:02: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended

What would be the way to ensure this doesn't hapen again?
That looks like the markets are not being refreshed fast enough, you should be using a 20ms refresh rate in Guardian and possibly using restrict refresh if you have 100s of markets loaded.

Is that what you are using?
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