Dutch 1st, 2nd & 3rd Fav Guardian Automation Bot

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Dallas
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Mickleton wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 12:42 pm
Hi Dallas
Thanks for quick reply. Have used Servant before but only on 1 horse so just Control and left click on that one selection on the ladder. Where do I click for the 2 or 3 Dutch as the horses could be both outsiders and obviously not all ladders are on screen. Can I use the In Play screen?
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Graeme
If the file is to back 1st-3rd fav as this one does it won't matter which selection you click on it will place the bets on whichever are the 1st three in the betting at the time you start the servant.

It's only if you want to nominate specific runners on the fly each race, ie, if your watching tv pics and want to back certain runners which could be in different orders each race and at the time you want to start the servant it would need to be done a different way
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Please excuse the terrible newbie type questions. Can I confirm a couple of things with this?

1) With the default setup my total liability would never be more than £10.00?
2) Does the automation output a profit report at all?
3) What happens if a race is suspended?
4) Have people been making small but regular returns with this?

Thanks in advance :)
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TallblokeUK wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:15 am
Please excuse the terrible newbie type questions. Can I confirm a couple of things with this?

1) With the default setup my total liability would never be more than £10.00?
2) Does the automation output a profit report at all?
3) What happens if a race is suspended?
4) Have people been making small but regular returns with this?

Thanks in advance :)
1) Its uses the staking method by book% so it depends what odds you are Dutching, the way its calculated is explained here
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/sta ... ters_.html
2), You can add a rule to export the P/L and arm it to trigger whenever you want, or there is an option on the 'Advanced' tab in Guardian to 'Export reports on market closure'
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/pro ... ports.html
3), Not sure what you mean?
All markets get suspended then unsuspended at the off and then suspended when the race finishes before the market is eventually closed and settled
4), No idea, no one can see another persons betting activity or P/L
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Dallas wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:45 am
TallblokeUK wrote:
Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:15 am
Please excuse the terrible newbie type questions. Can I confirm a couple of things with this?

1) With the default setup my total liability would never be more than £10.00?
2) Does the automation output a profit report at all?
3) What happens if a race is suspended?
4) Have people been making small but regular returns with this?

Thanks in advance :)
1) Its uses the staking method by book% so it depends what odds you are Dutching, the way its calculated is explained here
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/sta ... ters_.html
2), You can add a rule to export the P/L and arm it to trigger whenever you want, or there is an option on the 'Advanced' tab in Guardian to 'Export reports on market closure'
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/pro ... ports.html
3), Not sure what you mean?
All markets get suspended then unsuspended at the off and then suspended when the race finishes before the market is eventually closed and settled
4), No idea, no one can see another persons betting activity or P/L
Thanks for the reply.

With regards to making a profit, I guess I was asking anecedotally if people find this works over the course of a day for small gains?

A follow on question, what would happen in a race with just 4 or 5 runners... would it still work and be worthwhile?
FrankLee
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Hi Dallas

I'm experimenting with automation in test mode for the first time but finding it hard to know what I'm actually achieving. I understand you can set up a rule but it's not immediately obvious to a newcomer how to do that to produce meaningful information. A report containing Strategy , Event, Odds, Amount, and Result would be extremely useful . Could you walk us through how to set up a rule or rules to export and compile the results please, or ideally produce a video? Or even more ideally add another magic button to save the brain strain!

Many thanks in advance.
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FrankLee wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:30 pm
Hi Dallas

I'm experimenting with automation in test mode for the first time but finding it hard to know what I'm actually achieving. I understand you can set up a rule but it's not immediately obvious to a newcomer how to do that to produce meaningful information. A report containing Strategy , Event, Odds, Amount, and Result would be extremely useful . Could you walk us through how to set up a rule or rules to export and compile the results please, or ideally produce a video? Or even more ideally add another magic button to save the brain strain!

Many thanks in advance.
There is a box you can tick in Guardian that will export your P/L report, this will also give you the matched bets and log for the market
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/pro ... ports.html

Or you could run a 'Export P/L' rule and arm that to trigger whenever you wanted, ie, if you wanted to grab a snapshot as the market goes in-play
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/rule_types.html
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Dallas wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:25 pm
This is a basic Guardian automation bot for use mostly on horse racing but can be used on many other markets.

Although there is currently no actual dutching option within guardian there is still a way of achieving something very similar (equal profit on selected runners) by using the book% as a stake.

This bot will back the favorite 3 selections/runners at the event off time for a book% of £10

The stake size as with any other part of the bot can be edited very easily by clicking on "Edit Rules File" where you can change whatever you require.

To see a detailed explanation of how book% works and is calculated see link just below:
(Perhaps the best way to understand it is to see it in action by giving the rule ago in practice mode)

https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/sta ... ters_.html

To see a video tutorial on how to download and import an automation file into your Bet Angel please see this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Im4pj683g
Hi Dallas

I am pretty new to BOT making on BA but finding it incredibly interesting...
I have been monitoring Greyhounds now for about 4mths now and are finding that dutching is definately the way forward.
Looking at the BOT is has 3 rules identical in data and has been set at £10 at book price % in parameters. What i would like to know is each rule you have set for 1 2 3 by favouritism all equates to £10 each so thats £30 in total on that bet, is that correct?.....Ideally i want to back the positions 4 5 6 by favouritism but only risk £10 across all 3 to Dutch because of my work i miss the majority of races and £10 is my maximum risk for now so do i reset at £3.33?....also the book price is 80% so only £8 (£10) or £2.64 (£3.33) will be risked??, so do i add the difference to match my £10 or £3.33?

Sorry it being longwinded but i was told that you are incredibly helpful

Cheers
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GazTheGolfer wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 1:03 pm
Dallas wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:25 pm
This is a basic Guardian automation bot for use mostly on horse racing but can be used on many other markets.

Although there is currently no actual dutching option within guardian there is still a way of achieving something very similar (equal profit on selected runners) by using the book% as a stake.

This bot will back the favorite 3 selections/runners at the event off time for a book% of £10

The stake size as with any other part of the bot can be edited very easily by clicking on "Edit Rules File" where you can change whatever you require.

To see a detailed explanation of how book% works and is calculated see link just below:
(Perhaps the best way to understand it is to see it in action by giving the rule ago in practice mode)

https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/sta ... ters_.html

To see a video tutorial on how to download and import an automation file into your Bet Angel please see this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Im4pj683g
Hi Dallas

I am pretty new to BOT making on BA but finding it incredibly interesting...
I have been monitoring Greyhounds now for about 4mths now and are finding that dutching is definately the way forward.
Looking at the BOT is has 3 rules identical in data and has been set at £10 at book price % in parameters. What i would like to know is each rule you have set for 1 2 3 by favouritism all equates to £10 each so thats £30 in total on that bet, is that correct?.....Ideally i want to back the positions 4 5 6 by favouritism but only risk £10 across all 3 to Dutch because of my work i miss the majority of races and £10 is my maximum risk for now so do i reset at £3.33?....also the book price is 80% so only £8 (£10) or £2.64 (£3.33) will be risked??, so do i add the difference to match my £10 or £3.33?

Sorry it being longwinded but i was told that you are incredibly helpful

Cheers
The way the book% stake is calculated is detailed on this page of the user guide
https://www.betangel.com/user-guide/sta ... ters_.html

There isn't the same type of dutching options available in the automation editor as there is on the manual dutching screen but you can use stored values to do the stake calculationd for you and there is an example file made by Jukebox that will get you started
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Wan1628
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Morning Dallas

My first ever post can I just say thanks for the good work mate.

Right my question is if I only want to Dutch 1 and 2 everything else the same book% I will play with.

How do I do it please ? Do I just change the first box ip12 delete the selection 2
Change the third box selection 3 to 2 Instead of the 3nd fav horse change to 2
Then lastly delete the bet selection 3 completely

Will the bet kick in ? Hard to explain is in my head the plan.

Cheers
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Wan1628 wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:51 am
Morning Dallas

My first ever post can I just say thanks for the good work mate.

Right my question is if I only want to Dutch 1 and 2 everything else the same book% I will play with.

How do I do it please ? Do I just change the first box ip12 delete the selection 2
Change the third box selection 3 to 2 Instead of the 3nd fav horse change to 2
Then lastly delete the bet selection 3 completely

Will the bet kick in ? Hard to explain is in my head the plan.

Cheers
Glad you are finding the examples helpful

If I understand your question correctly you can just delete the rule that backs the 3rd fav, then only the 1st and 2nd fav's will be dutched
Wan1628
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Thanks for the quick reply Dallas
Ok just delete the selection 3 ? Don’t need change anything else ?

But won’t the stored range say 60 to 80 % be from fav 1 , 2 and 3 ? I want only 1 and 2 then when it hits between 60% to 80% it ditches them both for book%
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Wan1628 wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 2:56 pm
Thanks for the quick reply Dallas
Ok just delete the selection 3 ? Don’t need change anything else ?

But won’t the stored range say 60 to 80 % be from fav 1 , 2 and 3 ? I want only 1 and 2 then when it hits between 60% to 80% it ditches them both for book%
I think its possibly this file you are using?
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NotBothered
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I have been working with Dutching and Greyhounds

maybe this may help slightly.

You cannot just Dutch the Top 3 favorites and win in every race - you would need to select the ideal conditions and just bet those races.

So you need to create some conditions that figure out what those events would look like.

Also I looked at Dutching 2/3/4 against the main greyhound - but this was quite hard to do and make profits each day -- some days great - others not so much ... if your in it for the long term then you could perhaps do more work on it and figure it out -- but I just went back to the top 3... seemed to be much more straight forward.
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lazzasurf wrote:
Sun May 29, 2016 3:59 pm
Hello

I had good success with a alternative programme dutching the field (other software). What i'd do was dutch the field to 80% for a total of £50 with a average profit per race of £2-£4, small but consistent and depending on the amount of horses running. I had a 32 horse winning streak at one point before a horse not dutched would win, wiping out my prefit for the day. (it was a disturbing moment watching a 50-1 romp home ahead of a odds on favorite) I was unable to set up a stoploss that would trigger at a given sum say £25 and i wasn't quick enough to do it manually, a fair loss but it would still leave me with a overall profit.
Is such a bot possible with betangel? (ditched other software now and have a betangel sub)
Iv'e had a look but cant see a dutching % option. I got the idea from this video and evolved it from there.



Many thanks..
What does ditching the field to 80% mean ?

Surely when you start ducting some low odds favorites you sometimes can't Dutch that many ?
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NotBothered wrote:
Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:28 pm
I have been working with Dutching and Greyhounds

maybe this may help slightly.

You cannot just Dutch the Top 3 favorites and win in every race - you would need to select the ideal conditions and just bet those races.

So you need to create some conditions that figure out what those events would look like.

Also I looked at Dutching 2/3/4 against the main greyhound - but this was quite hard to do and make profits each day -- some days great - others not so much ... if your in it for the long term then you could perhaps do more work on it and figure it out -- but I just went back to the top 3... seemed to be much more straight forward.
As a starting point, reset, why don't use simply Dutch BACK R1,2,3 for a target profit, then R4,5,6 for the same target profit. Then START filtering ....
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