DOBing - Back & Lay at 50% Guardian Automation Bot

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darren1963 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:57 pm
Cheers Dallas, that worked a treat. Last question I promise.......is there a way I can see what my days profit and losses have been as in almost a running commentary at any given time during the day?
You will be able to see them by going through the markets in guardian now you have enabled that option, or you can export them with a rule. The following thread has more details and user guide links
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11349
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Dallas wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:02 pm
darren1963 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:57 pm
Cheers Dallas, that worked a treat. Last question I promise.......is there a way I can see what my days profit and losses have been as in almost a running commentary at any given time during the day?
You will be able to see them by going through the markets in guardian now you have enabled that option, or you can export them with a rule. The following thread has more details and user guide links
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11349
Cheers Dallas but I cannot see anything in the markets in guardian that indicates I have had say 5 bets @
£10 each and am showing a profit of £30....am I missing something?
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darren1963 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:07 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:02 pm
darren1963 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:57 pm
Cheers Dallas, that worked a treat. Last question I promise.......is there a way I can see what my days profit and losses have been as in almost a running commentary at any given time during the day?
You will be able to see them by going through the markets in guardian now you have enabled that option, or you can export them with a rule. The following thread has more details and user guide links
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11349
Cheers Dallas but I cannot see anything in the markets in guardian that indicates I have had say 5 bets @
£10 each and am showing a profit of £30....am I missing something?
You wont see anything from todays earlier markets that have already ended before you ticked that option
Future markets will now show the p/l next to each selections name (when you have the odds tab at the bottom selected)
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Cheers mate....how do you close the boxes that open when you click on the odds tab at the bottom......they open but don't close???
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darren1963 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:20 pm
Cheers mate....how do you close the boxes that open when you click on the odds tab at the bottom......they open but don't close???
The price boxes are just for display (they cant be clicked on) so just select one of the other tabs to change whats shown in the bottom window
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Hi Dallas

Once again thanks for all your help and support

I have been experimenting with the bot from the start of this thread, just using small stakes as advised. Generally it seems to work very well, and the only issues are my selections rather than the bot itself (so I need to refine my selection technique).

However I have a few questions
1) There doesn't seem to be check to see if the back bet is being placed at under 2.02. If the selection is say at 1.7 just before the off, how can it properly DOB? Or is the reasoning that as the market is saying that this is the favourite and has a better than 50% chance of winning, the back bet in effect becomes just a straight bet on the favourite as the lay bet will never fire?

2) Most of the time when the profit condition is reached it returns profit roughly the same as the original stake, but sometimes (by some alchemy I don't fully understand) it does significantly more. I am assuming it has something to do with multiple firings of the close up bets. So as I understand it, if the profit condition is met the bot at least doubles the stake and sometimes more (so there is some upside potential over and above a straight doubling). But does this mean that this greater occasional return also means that there is a risk that occasionally the close up bet wont match even if fired 3 times?

3) If there is a risk, however small, of the close up bet not working occasionally is it "safer" to place the back bet and lay bet (at half the odds with double the stake) just before the off and "keep all" because that lay bet will then be "in the queue" or rely on the bot to "do its thing"?

Sorry for so many questions - you can tell I am a newbie!
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Autolearner wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 3:57 pm
Hi Dallas

Once again thanks for all your help and support

I have been experimenting with the bot from the start of this thread, just using small stakes as advised. Generally it seems to work very well, and the only issues are my selections rather than the bot itself (so I need to refine my selection technique).

However I have a few questions
1) Because you have to chose the selection I never added a condition to test the price is greater than 'X', but you can of course add this if you want (its a fixed odds condition you need to add to the back bet rule)

2) Its because it triggers the close trade when the profit is reached, if the odds continue crashing in the lay will be matched at even lower odds by the time it reaches the market and thats where the extra profit comes from

3) With this bot the odds could indeed bounce back out after triggering the lay leaving it as a unmatched bet.
Since this bot was made the option of offsetting with % was added, this means the lay bet can now be put in the market at the required odds ready and waiting to be matched - There is another DOBing bot that works that way if you wanted to use that one
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=13629
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It just happened again, earning £6.67 from a £4 initial stake rather than just doubling. Here is the relevant log

01/05/2018 16:00:59: Market changed to Yarm 1st May - 16:15 7f Hcap
01/05/2018 16:14:55: [G_Auto] : £ 4.00 Back bet placed on Sonnet Rose at 9.6. Fully matched at 9.6. Ref: XXXXXX
01/05/2018 16:16:18: Market has been suspended
01/05/2018 16:16:19: Market has been unsuspended
01/05/2018 16:16:19: Market is in-play
01/05/2018 16:17:18: [G_Auto] : Placed closure bet with greening on Sonnet Rose by Laying 10.67 at 3.6
01/05/2018 16:17:46: Market has been suspended

I am guessing it may possibly be something to do with refresh rates? Guardian is on 200 ms refresh

Apologies if this is obvious (but it isn't to me!)
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Ha

You responded just before I sent my subsequent log post. Many thanks for the responses which really help clarify what is going on. I think I will explore the other bot you mention

I think your previous post explains what happened with my log example

As always, many thanks. Gradually getting there!!
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Hi again Dallas

As always, thanks so much for any and all help

I have been looking at some more logs for the Dobbing bot at the start of this thread. In particular the one below where the horse I bet on with a £2 stake seems to have gone from 14s all the way out to 100 and back in to 14.5 in the space of 9 seconds

So am I right in thinking that theoretically on the back of my original £2 back bet I could have faced a £79 lay liability if the second closure bet had been matched and then the horse came back to win? I accept that this may be a rare example, but it seems to be strengthening my reasoning for using the "other" bot that just places a lay bet at half the original back price. It may have lower up-side, but should also limit liabilities.

23/04/2018 17:40:00: Market changed to Ponte 23rd Apr - 17:45 1m Hcap
23/04/2018 17:44:55: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on Admiral Rooke at 46. Fully matched at 46. Ref: XXXXXX
23/04/2018 17:49:34: Market has been suspended
23/04/2018 17:49:36: Market has been unsuspended
23/04/2018 17:49:36: Market is in-play
23/04/2018 17:51:03: [G_Auto] : Placed closure bet with greening on Admiral Rooke by Laying 6.57 at 14
23/04/2018 17:51:08: [G_Auto] : Placed closure bet with greening on Admiral Rooke by Laying 0.79 at 100
23/04/2018 17:51:12: [G_Auto] : Placed closure bet with greening on Admiral Rooke by Backing 0.79 at 14.5
23/04/2018 17:51:25: Market has been suspended
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Autolearner wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 1:57 pm
Hi again Dallas

As always, thanks so much for any and all help

I have been looking at some more logs for the Dobbing bot at the start of this thread. In particular the one below where the horse I bet on with a £2 stake seems to have gone from 14s all the way out to 100 and back in to 14.5 in the space of 9 seconds

So am I right in thinking that theoretically on the back of my original £2 back bet I could have faced a £79 lay liability if the second closure bet had been matched and then the horse came back to win? I accept that this may be a rare example, but it seems to be strengthening my reasoning for using the "other" bot that just places a lay bet at half the original back price. It may have lower up-side, but should also limit liabilities.

23/04/2018 17:40:00: Market changed to Ponte 23rd Apr - 17:45 1m Hcap
23/04/2018 17:44:55: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on Admiral Rooke at 46. Fully matched at 46. Ref: XXXXXX
23/04/2018 17:49:34: Market has been suspended
23/04/2018 17:49:36: Market has been unsuspended
23/04/2018 17:49:36: Market is in-play
23/04/2018 17:51:03: [G_Auto] : Placed closure bet with greening on Admiral Rooke by Laying 6.57 at 14
23/04/2018 17:51:08: [G_Auto] : Placed closure bet with greening on Admiral Rooke by Laying 0.79 at 100
23/04/2018 17:51:12: [G_Auto] : Placed closure bet with greening on Admiral Rooke by Backing 0.79 at 14.5
23/04/2018 17:51:25: Market has been suspended
The initial lay trigger was due to the same reason as what happened in your last log and what I detailed in my previous message ie, the price crashing in and straight through to 14.0 past the trigger odds of 23.0

That must not of been fully matched so while your profit was still over £2 it triggered again trying to secure the £2 target profit
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Hi Dallas

Many thanks again for such a speedy and useful response

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I understood from your previous response about crashing through the relevant trigger point, and the initial closure bet being only partially matched. The thing that surprised me was the second closure bet being at odds of 100. (rather than the 14 or so of the first and third closure bets). But on thinking about it I realise that each closure bet reduced the potential liability, from £91.98, to £79 with the second and £11.46 with the final one.

It does make me think that if it took "3 bites at the cherry" on the basis of an initial £2 stake what happens if I scale up? Much to ponder. But really helpful as I take my first faltering steps in this fascinating area.

Thanks for your patience!
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Hi

If I want to select more than 2 horses in Automation Nominated

how can I do it

Thank you
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AVRX wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:02 am
Hi

If I want to select more than 2 horses in Automation Nominated

how can I do it

Thank you
You would need to open additional instances of Bet Angel
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thanks for answering

where are the additional instances opened?

and another question

when I'm at stake with a career and I get green the trade profit

How can I do so that I do not get more bets, fulfilling the objective of trade profit
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