Lay the Outsider After a Good Go Guardian Automation Bot

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Dallas
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JacobHenry wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:38 pm
Have been encouraged to use this strategy as a template for my own trading.

Have used Racing Traders previously which although VERY effective offers zero automation therefore gives me a huge problem.

The aim is to set 2 Signals. The 1st Signal is for any selections whose BSP is lower 9.0 who then drift out to a Trading Price of 36 in running.

The 2nd Signal is for those selections whose BSP is over 9.0 who then trade below 9.0 in running before drifting out to a last traded price of 32.

When either signals are met, a lay bet is placed at 40 for a fixed amount of £2.

Have attached the template of the rules which basically don't work and am rapidly running out of ideas.

Helptester 2.baf
There are a few small errors
1, the 2nd signal is looking for a signal named beaten 2 to be set before setting a signal named beaten 2 - this condition should be NOT set
2, the 1st and 2nd signal is also testing for the back price to be <9 AND the last traded price to be >36 at the same time, which of course won't happen
3, the lay rule is then looking for both the signal beaten and beaten 2 to be set on a selection before it triggers, the way the two signal rules are setup its on setting beaten OR beaten 2 on a selection (ie, no selection has both signals set on it, therefore, the lay won't trigger on any selection)


There are two ways around it, first is to add a second lay rule with identical conditions except for the signal conditions, so that one lay triggers if a selection has beaten and the other lay will pick up and trigger on those selections with beaten 2

The second and easiest way is to use the same signal name on both signal rules, the signal rules also doesn't need the >36 condition as thats covered in the lay rule anyway

So now those with a BSP <9 get a signal named beaten set on them
Those with an SP >9 dont but will get it set on them if they trade below 9 in-play
any that then drift to >36 in-running will have a lay bet triggered on them

Give the following file a run in practice mode and see how it goes
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Bri1980
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Hi,

I've been having a go with this bot today. I tried to change the lay bet to offset bet with greening, for x ticks.

On 2 occasions my lay bet was not matched but the back bet was still entered into the market. Is there anyway of making the back bet only enter if the initial lay is matched?

Thanks
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Bri1980 wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:49 pm
Hi,

Is there anyway of making the back bet only enter if the initial lay is matched?

Thanks
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Bri1980
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Thanks Dallas :)

Just to be sure I understand, I want to select option 2, select fill or kill bets.

I thought this option worked by if your bet was not filled in the time you enter then the bet is cancelled?

So if I set this to 2 seconds, my back bet will be entered 2 seconds after my lay bet is matched?

Thanks
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Hi Dallas, I'm trying to add some historic relative odds conditions with more signals to this but not sure i'm on the right path.

I want it so a new signal is set for any selection (horse A) to trade to 1.8, whilst at the same time Horse B (any selection) odds should be around 2. = signal 1

Horse B then overtakes and trades to 1.8 and horse A is trading higher around 2. = signal 2

if horse A then overtakes again and horse B is then trading at higher odds than it was 15 seconds ago - place a lay bet on horse A at fixed odds of 2.

What is the easiest way to add these conditions?
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jongup wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:56 am
Hi Dallas, I'm trying to add some historic relative odds conditions with more signals to this but not sure i'm on the right path.

I want it so a new signal is set for any selection (horse A) to trade to 1.8, whilst at the same time Horse B (any selection) odds should be around 2. = signal 1

Horse B then overtakes and trades to 1.8 and horse A is trading higher around 2. = signal 2

if horse A then overtakes again and horse B is then trading at higher odds than it was 15 seconds ago - place a lay bet on horse A at fixed odds of 2.

What is the easiest way to add these conditions?
Short answer is there is not an easy, as there are many others things to consider.

1, can can be done with 2 x fixed odds conditions looking at the fav and 2nd fav and setting a signal when true
Then what happens if an other runner steams through and becomes fav and the original fav go out and the original 2nd is still around 2s
or an other runner comes in to be fav and the original goes out to be 2nd fav.

then for the 3rd part you have even more scenarios and more reasons to reset the signals and start again.

It can be done but will need to be well thought out with all the signals needed on both market and selections to set up the scenario your after fully mapped out on paper before even begining to set up the rules
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Hi Dallas,
im looking to modify this bot.

*monitor all runners that have a BSP price of 10.0 or more but has drifted to 30.0, set a signal on those runners (signal: drift)
*Monitor all runners that have a BSP of 4.00 or less but has shortened to 2.0, set a signal on those runners (signal: short)
*if more than 1 runner has hit the signal (short) and 2 has hit the signal (drift) place a lay bet at a fixed stake of £5 on the (drift) signal nominated horse only if the horse continues to drift to 35.
*My max liability is £295 so only place a lay bet on this horse between the ranges of 35-60

Im just getting a bit stuck at the signal stage for when i want my bot to place the bet

thanks
consult
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Hi Dallas or anyone else.
Can you help.

I have tried to change this as follows but i dont seem to get the second part to fire..
I have changed to pre off
5mins out signal price of fav between 1.5 & 3.5
that seems to work
i now want to place lay bet if price drifts 10ticks but nothing happens .
i have Relative odds condition
lay price is greater than lay price of fav position1 plus 10ticks.

Could someone advise where i am going wrong.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards Consult
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consult wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:26 am
Hi Dallas or anyone else.
Can you help.

I have tried to change this as follows but i dont seem to get the second part to fire..
I have changed to pre off
5mins out signal price of fav between 1.5 & 3.5
that seems to work
i now want to place lay bet if price drifts 10ticks but nothing happens .
i have Relative odds condition
lay price is greater than lay price of fav position1 plus 10ticks.

Could someone advise where i am going wrong.
Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards Consult
If you are just looking for a one way move and not to come in first then go out the easiest way is to use a
Set/Modify Stored Value rule (armed to trigger one time)
and on the Stored Value tab store the price of the selection
and use the adjustment option to add the number of ticks you want

Then on your lay bet rule add a 'Stored Value Condition'
to test the selections
price is
greater than
another stored value named (whatever you called it above)

You'll also need to a a 'Fixed market order of selections' rule and arm it to trigger just before your stored value rule, just in case when it drifts it moves into 2nd or 3rd fav - this rule will ensure your lay bet still triggers on the same selection you stored the value for
consult
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Thanks Dallas
Will give a try

Consult
Ryanolifelix
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hello, i am using this automation file

can anybody tell me what ( beaten = 11 ) means?

thankyou.

24/05/2021 12:14:51: Market changed to Wolverhampton 24th May - 13:00 1m1f Hcap
24/05/2021 13:03:04: Market has been suspended
24/05/2021 13:03:05: Market has been unsuspended
24/05/2021 13:03:05: Market is in-play
24/05/2021 13:03:06: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Mostaqqer: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:04:44: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Galidermes: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:04:53: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Diamond Jill: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:04:59: [G_Auto 1] : £ 10.00 Lay bet placed on Mostaqqer at 40. Fully matched at 36. Ref: 10000
24/05/2021 13:05:06: Market has been suspended


24/05/2021 13:14:30: Market changed to Ludlow 24th May - 13:15 2m Nov Hcap Hrd
24/05/2021 13:15:21: Market has been suspended
24/05/2021 13:15:21: Market has been unsuspended
24/05/2021 13:15:21: Market is in-play
24/05/2021 13:15:22: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Secret Potion: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:15:27: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for White Turf: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:17:51: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Rathnure Ranger: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:18:10: [G_Auto 1] : £ 10.00 Lay bet placed on Secret Potion at 40. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10001
24/05/2021 13:19:15: Market has been suspended
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Ryanolifelix wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 1:34 pm
hello, i am using this automation file

can anybody tell me what ( beaten = 11 ) means?

thankyou.

24/05/2021 12:14:51: Market changed to Wolverhampton 24th May - 13:00 1m1f Hcap
24/05/2021 13:03:04: Market has been suspended
24/05/2021 13:03:05: Market has been unsuspended
24/05/2021 13:03:05: Market is in-play
24/05/2021 13:03:06: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Mostaqqer: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:04:44: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Galidermes: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:04:53: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Diamond Jill: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:04:59: [G_Auto 1] : £ 10.00 Lay bet placed on Mostaqqer at 40. Fully matched at 36. Ref: 10000
24/05/2021 13:05:06: Market has been suspended


24/05/2021 13:14:30: Market changed to Ludlow 24th May - 13:15 2m Nov Hcap Hrd
24/05/2021 13:15:21: Market has been suspended
24/05/2021 13:15:21: Market has been unsuspended
24/05/2021 13:15:21: Market is in-play
24/05/2021 13:15:22: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Secret Potion: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:15:27: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for White Turf: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:17:51: [G_Auto 1] : Automation Signal for Rathnure Ranger: beaten = 11
24/05/2021 13:18:10: [G_Auto 1] : £ 10.00 Lay bet placed on Secret Potion at 40. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10001
24/05/2021 13:19:15: Market has been suspended
Its the signal set if a runner satisfied these conditions
BSP >15
LTP <4.0
JonnyWally
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Hi guys, quick question.

I want to test some automations during the day while I’m at work. I’m guessing practice mode won’t log profits. I saw somewhere that these can be exported to excel automatically? How would I set this up!

Thanks
iggypop37
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JonnyWally wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 7:52 pm
Hi guys, quick question.

I want to test some automations during the day while I’m at work. I’m guessing practice mode won’t log profits. I saw somewhere that these can be exported to excel automatically? How would I set this up!

Thanks
you can see the profit/loss for each runner on the guardian screen for each race until such time as you remove the market from guardian. I use it all the time.
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iggypop37 wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 8:10 pm


you can see the profit/loss for each runner on the guardian screen for each race until such time as you remove the market from guardian. I use it all the time.
Oh that will do nicely. Thank you
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