Create a No Lose Trade on Fav and Profit on the Field Guardian Automation Bot

[Dallas]

It just happened again this time the correct hourse was layed (fav) but no back bet. On the 1st the hourse layed was the fav at the time but i thought by selecting the hourse in guardian it woukd ovride this?

Anyway i have stopped the rest of the races in guardian and removed the automation, hope you can fathom why no back bet is happeing. thank you

Its 100% because of what i've put in the replies so far

But the nominations you select in Guardian (noms 1-5) are only applicable to rules that are applied to that nomination (1-5)

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I downloaded the files from first post and left the rules as was only adding greening rules here attached is backing rules image. thank you

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[Dallas]

I downloaded the files from first post and left the rules as was only adding greening rules here attached is backing rules image. thank youbetangel2.png

So those as they currently are will only trigger on the fav (at the off), you need to increase your refresh rate as per the instructions in my earlier link to ensure they all get refreshed fast enough.

Whats are the two green up rules for?
The purpose of this file is to put all the profit on the other selections and not the fav (or whichever selection you nominate if you edit that part of the rules).
Triggering a green up rule is then just going to spread all the profit equally so you might as well just do a regular B2L trade

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I was reading through posts and it said to add greening rules , maybe i missunderstood

I have chnaged refresh to 300mls

[censura]

I have removed greening rules so just have core files from 1st page with no changes

[haynzey82]

I havent been doing this long but am loving the process.

With this file I wanted to add a stop bet that if the favourites odds went right down it would make a lay bet at those odds. I used 20 ticks.

It worked on many instances and prevented large losses but i have noticed then when I use the stop function on lay bet it does not change the liability amount to equal $10 profit.

Example lay bet will trigger at $2 for a $5 stake then the stop loss kicks in at $3.50 but it keeps the stake at $5 so my liability is $12.50 against a $10 win. If the favourite goes on to win I can suffer very big losses especially at short odds.

I know I can change it so it wont bet favourites under an amount but what I want to do is Put a stop loss bet on equal to liability of $10 when triggered. Im guessing I need to add an extra rule where it refers to back bet price, triggers at 20 ticks then places a lay bet equal to $10 but unsure what rules i would not to use.

Any help would be very much appreciated

You won't be able to use the stop loss in global settings as the offset back bet won't be to a liability, so you'd need to add a separate rule

This post shows how to add a green up rule which will trigger if your loss amount is reached
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11488

Or you could create one to trigger at a number of ticks below the lay bet, that would require the use of stored values, easy enough to set up if you wanted to use ticks rather than a monetary value

Thankyou, the green up rule confuses me a bit but I think i have the hang of it now

[ShaunWhite]

Thankyou, the green up rule confuses me a bit but I think i have the hang of it now

You need to remember that using a stop loss will also stop winners, prices that go against you can and do come back. By trying to reduce individual losses it's very likely you'll be making your overall figures worse. Presumably you want a stop loss because you consider the max loss you be too large, if so then reduce your stakes.

With any type of automation it's absolutely crucial that you look at the profiablity of each stage of your process independently, you can be making a profit on your opening bets and then be throwing it away on the close/stop.

[waccoe1975]

This is a basic Guardian automation rule which for use on in-play horse racing market – though it can easily be edited for most other types of markets.

It takes advantage of the new staking methods added to Bet Angel V1.47. Earlier I posted an example of how the staking method ‘By Liability (Back & Lay) can be used to create a risk-free bet on one selection but profit on all others, the thread can be viewed using this link
http://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopic ... 47&t=13551

At post time, the bot places a back bet at the best price on the Fav using a £10 liability stake, once the race goes in-play the bot will place a lay bet also using a £10 liability stake at 15 ticks below the BSP.

If the lay is matched you will have no liability (not able to lose) if the fav goes on to win but if any other runner wins you will have made a profit.

To use the file just click on the Create a No Lose Trade on the Fav & Profit on the Field.Baf attachment link below and this will download it to your computer, then with guardian open on the "Automation" tab click "Import a Rules File" as shown in the image, once imported it will now appear in the drop down box just above, you can now apply it to any markets you have added into guardian.

The stake size and number of ticks used can be edited very easily by clicking on "Edit Rules File" then click on the "Parameters" tab and change to whatever you require.

With any automation bot always run in practice mode first to ensure everything is working fine, and repeat this each time you make any changes.
To see a video tutorial on how to download and import an automation file into your Bet Angel please see this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Im4pj683g

Hi dallas can i do this manaully ? Just say back horse at 9 £20 liabilty lay horse at 6 £20 liability so if matched zero loss on horse but profit on all others ?

[Dallas]

This is a basic Guardian automation rule which for use on in-play horse racing market – though it can easily be edited for most other types of markets.

It takes advantage of the new staking methods added to Bet Angel V1.47. Earlier I posted an example of how the staking method ‘By Liability (Back & Lay) can be used to create a risk-free bet on one selection but profit on all others, the thread can be viewed using this link
http://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopic ... 47&t=13551

At post time, the bot places a back bet at the best price on the Fav using a £10 liability stake, once the race goes in-play the bot will place a lay bet also using a £10 liability stake at 15 ticks below the BSP.

If the lay is matched you will have no liability (not able to lose) if the fav goes on to win but if any other runner wins you will have made a profit.

To use the file just click on the Create a No Lose Trade on the Fav & Profit on the Field.Baf attachment link below and this will download it to your computer, then with guardian open on the "Automation" tab click "Import a Rules File" as shown in the image, once imported it will now appear in the drop down box just above, you can now apply it to any markets you have added into guardian.

The stake size and number of ticks used can be edited very easily by clicking on "Edit Rules File" then click on the "Parameters" tab and change to whatever you require.

With any automation bot always run in practice mode first to ensure everything is working fine, and repeat this each time you make any changes.
To see a video tutorial on how to download and import an automation file into your Bet Angel please see this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Im4pj683g

Hi dallas can i do this manaully ? Just say back horse at 9 £20 liabilty lay horse at 6 £20 liability so if matched zero loss on horse but profit on all others ?

Yes, exactly that way

[Mzolisi12]

Hi Dallas,

I am new to this forum and to Bet Angel. I was wondering if you could assist me with a Sure Bet/Trading Strategy - Guardian Automation Bots, for two various markets, namely: Football and Horse Racing. I desperately seek your help, as I come into this game with a very small working capital (trading bank) that I cant afford to lose. My short to medium term objective, is to grow my working capital, of which will enable me to scale up, in terms of betting or trading stakes.

I will greatly appreciate your wisdom of the game and rule automation.

Mzolisi12

[Dallas]

Hi Dallas,

I am new to this forum and to Bet Angel. I was wondering if you could assist me with a Sure Bet/Trading Strategy - Guardian Automation Bots, for two various markets, namely: Football and Horse Racing. I desperately seek your help, as I come into this game with a very small working capital (trading bank) that I cant afford to lose. My short to medium term objective, is to grow my working capital, of which will enable me to scale up, in terms of betting or trading stakes.

I will greatly appreciate your wisdom of the game and rule automation.

Mzolisi12

The best advise I can give you is never to trade (or gamble) with money you can not afford, it's almost a certainty that you'll lose your first few banks when learning to trade.
If I were you I'd put things on hold for a while until you are in a better position financially and you can comfortably afford to deposit some money which you are fully prepared to lose.

Sorry that's probably not the answer you were looking for but its is the only one any responsible person could give to someone in your situation

[Mzolisi12]

Hi Dallas,
Can you please tell me where do I find my Profit or Loss at the end of a horse race , on my Ladder screen? A win, how does it look like, and a Loss how does it look like...?

[Dallas]

Hi Dallas,
Can you please tell me where do I find my Profit or Loss at the end of a horse race , on my Ladder screen? A win, how does it look like, and a Loss how does it look like...?

Its the value shown next to the horse name that won the race

[Mzolisi12]

Yes,

The amounts are showing next to the race favourites - line 1 and also showing on "Close and Green up", next to "Scale" on Ladder Screen. When the race has concluded in-play run, there is a flashing "Green Light" of the race end-time, next to the "Suspended Red Sign". During the flashing "Green Light" of the race end-time, the "Close and Green up" next to "Scale", will show a Loss in (red amount), then it will change to a Profit just before the flashing "Green Light" of the race end-time, turns Red, and it will remain on Profit (Green Amount) for the rest of the day.

Please read a Private Mail I sent to you now, for more details on this matter.

[Dallas]

Yes,

The amounts are showing next to the race favourites - line 1 and also showing on "Close and Green up", next to "Scale" on Ladder Screen. When the race has concluded in-play run, there is a flashing "Green Light" of the race end-time, next to the "Suspended Red Sign". During the flashing "Green Light" of the race end-time, the "Close and Green up" next to "Scale", will show a Loss in (red amount), then it will change to a Profit just before the flashing "Green Light" of the race end-time, turns Red, and it will remain on Profit (Green Amount) for the rest of the day.

The figure next to the scales is what you 'can' green up for if you were to exit/green up all positions now, this will change as the prices do.

With this bot that will always be changing because it doesn't' green up it pushes all the profit to the other selections and keeps the fav as £0.00

The figure next to the scales will also go a bit mental at the end of the race when there are no prices to green up against and the market closes

All you need to look at is the figure next to the selections name - the amount shown next to the actual winner is what you'll win (or lose)