DOBing @ 50% & Back 2 Lay @ 20% Guardian Automation Bot

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Dallas
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TheUndertones wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:28 pm
Hi Dallas I have been using the Dob With Moving Exit automation you set up and it has been working a treat. So first of all many thanks for doing this. I have added a minimum odds condition just to ensure the selections are not too short at the off.

As I had hoped, a number of runners have gone on to win and paid out 4 or 5 times the normal Evens stake a Dob would pay, however I wonder if I could stretch your brain a little more to possibly squeeze a little more out of certain situations.

Obviously, when horses go below 3 or 2, the adjustment of 10 ticks can happen very quickly and a horse can bob up and down in price quite a bit before coming in again and then winning.

Is there any way we could hang on to things a little longer even if the price goes out? Perhaps if the price goes out, wait a number of seconds while still Green before quitting? Or instead of 10 ticks maybe set it to kick in after the horse goes out a percentage of the price so it would be the same whatever the price. Or maybe if the horse is under say 2.5, allow 20 ticks?

I am not sure if any of these are plausible as I don't have the automation knowledge that you do but just wondered if you have any other ideas.

Many thanks.
Glad you're enjoying using it.

Yes it is possible to add a delay before the green-up rule triggers

There is an example here of how to set something like that up here
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11954
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Hi Dallas, many thanks but if I am right, this will just close my position when in red. As I am Dobbing I am almost expecting to lose the full stake if the horse doesn't drop in price by 50%.

Just to make sure you know, this is when using your Dob with Moving Exit file.

What I was trying to do was give me more time when the 10 ticks kicks in to wait and see if the horse may go back in but I suppose thinking about it that is probably not possible. I imagine just increasing the 10 ticks and playing about with that number is the best way?

Thanks.
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TheUndertones wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:45 pm
Hi Dallas, many thanks but if I am right, this will just close my position when in red. As I am Dobbing I am almost expecting to lose the full stake if the horse doesn't drop in price by 50%.

Just to make sure you know, this is when using your Dob with Moving Exit file.

What I was trying to do was give me more time when the 10 ticks kicks in to wait and see if the horse may go back in but I suppose thinking about it that is probably not possible. I imagine just increasing the 10 ticks and playing about with that number is the best way?

Thanks.
It is possible using the example i linked to, but instead of using a loss value the signals are being set when its above 10 ticks, reset again if it goes below but if it stays above for 10 seconds (or whatever you set it to) then then exit rule of the DOB triggers.

So its the signal set-up and configuration from that file your incorperating into the DOB file
TheUndertones
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Hi Dallas,

Regards the second file, do I just copy the rules of that exactly and add them to the original bat file you created?

Also, is it possible to change the rules in the original file from a dob as it was at 50% to a monetary amount? So instead of aiming for a dob, aim for £1, or £2, or whatever, depending on the stake used. So if using a £10 stake, I may say that I want to set the trigger when I reach a £2 profit and then use the same ten ticks signal to track the odds when they go out.

Many thanks.

Ian
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TheUndertones wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:23 pm
Hi Dallas,

Regards the second file, do I just copy the rules of that exactly and add them to the original bat file you created?

Also, is it possible to change the rules in the original file from a dob as it was at 50% to a monetary amount? So instead of aiming for a dob, aim for £1, or £2, or whatever, depending on the stake used. So if using a £10 stake, I may say that I want to set the trigger when I reach a £2 profit and then use the same ten ticks signal to track the odds when they go out.

Many thanks.

Ian
They'll need tweaking slightly so that it tests for a 10 tick move rather than the loss but yes you'll need that 3 rule combination

You could change it to use a monetary value but the easiest way would be to not use the new file and instead just edit the 'close trade in loss' file to and copy the few elements needed from the DOB file into that
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Good evening,

I was wondering if it is possible to incorporate a recovery staking method? For example ; 11235 stop staking plan?

Thank you in advance and I really appreciate you taking the time to share these fantastic automation opportunities.
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Betr_bet wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:01 am
Good evening,

I was wondering if it is possible to incorporate a recovery staking method? For example ; 11235 stop staking plan?

Thank you in advance and I really appreciate you taking the time to share these fantastic automation opportunities.
Bet Angel's automation does not support any forms of loss recovery, in short none of them work and you'll find tons of threads on this forum where experienced traders have tried to warn people against them over and over (often in vain). Below are just two such threads
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=7575&start=120
viewtopic.php?t=10723
erictheking
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Hello,
Would you be able to use this Bot to run a DOB and TROB on the same horse in the same race?
My idea would be to change the B2L from 20% to 67% for the TROB and select the same horse in both the Nominated Selection 1&2, not sure if this would cause a conflict being the same selection, I'm a relative newbie just starting out so forgive me if this is a stupid question!! :)
Any advise would be much appreciated.
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erictheking wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:08 am
Hello,
Would you be able to use this Bot to run a DOB and TROB on the same horse in the same race?
My idea would be to change the B2L from 20% to 67% for the TROB and select the same horse in both the Nominated Selection 1&2, not sure if this would cause a conflict being the same selection, I'm a relative newbie just starting out so forgive me if this is a stupid question!! :)
Any advise would be much appreciated.
That would work fine
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Dallas wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:00 pm
erictheking wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:08 am
Hello,
Would you be able to use this Bot to run a DOB and TROB on the same horse in the same race?
My idea would be to change the B2L from 20% to 67% for the TROB and select the same horse in both the Nominated Selection 1&2, not sure if this would cause a conflict being the same selection, I'm a relative newbie just starting out so forgive me if this is a stupid question!! :)
Any advise would be much appreciated.
That would work fine
Excellent, many thanks
Morrisman
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Hi

Used this today and was working fine as below

6/25/2022 15:08:53: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:08:54: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 15:22:24: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:22:25: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 15:41:54: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:41:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.73. Fully matched at 1.73. Ref: 272366069584 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 20% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.73. Fully matched at 1.73. Ref: 272366069585 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 50% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 85.64 Lay bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.01. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272366069876
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 62.68 Lay bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.38. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272366069875
6/25/2022 16:03:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272366069875 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

6/25/2022 16:03:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272366069876 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'


6/25/2022 16:03:34: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 16:03:35: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
6/25/2022 16:03:36: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:04:36: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended


Then had a rogue event where the file performed like this

6/25/2022 11:08:40: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 11:08:42: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 14:54:39: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 14:54:40: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 14:54:58: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 14:55:00: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 15:53:39: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:53:40: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:04:54: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 16:04:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:30:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on The Whipmaster at 4.2. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368570483 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 50% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:30:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on The Whipmaster at 4.2. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368570562 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 20% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:30:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272368570483 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

6/25/2022 16:30:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272368570562 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'


6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50 of unmatched bet (Ref:272368570483) was filled before remainder was killed.
6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 100.00 Lay bet placed on The Whipmaster at 2.1. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368606781
6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50 of unmatched bet (Ref:272368570562) was filled before remainder was killed.
6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 62.69 Lay bet placed on The Whipmaster at 3.35. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368607052
6/25/2022 16:32:13: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 16:32:14: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
6/25/2022 16:32:15: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:34:38: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended


And then back to normal again. The lay bet was fired (fill or kill after the keep command in the rogue instance.

Was there a problem with bf today or has anyone else had this issue?

Thanks for any help.

Rich
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Dallas
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Morrisman wrote:
Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:12 pm
Hi

Used this today and was working fine as below

6/25/2022 15:08:53: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:08:54: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 15:22:24: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:22:25: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 15:41:54: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:41:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.73. Fully matched at 1.73. Ref: 272366069584 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 20% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.73. Fully matched at 1.73. Ref: 272366069585 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 50% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 85.64 Lay bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.01. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272366069876
6/25/2022 16:03:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 62.68 Lay bet placed on Clearpoint at 1.38. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272366069875
6/25/2022 16:03:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272366069875 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

6/25/2022 16:03:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272366069876 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'


6/25/2022 16:03:34: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 16:03:35: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
6/25/2022 16:03:36: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:04:36: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended


Then had a rogue event where the file performed like this

6/25/2022 11:08:40: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 11:08:42: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 14:54:39: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 14:54:40: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 14:54:58: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 14:55:00: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 15:53:39: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 15:53:40: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:04:54: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 16:04:55: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:30:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on The Whipmaster at 4.2. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368570483 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 50% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:30:00: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50.00 Back bet placed on The Whipmaster at 4.2. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368570562 ( Fill or kill bet with 60 seconds delay. Offsetting by 20% [A] with greening. )
6/25/2022 16:30:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272368570483 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

6/25/2022 16:30:04: [G_Auto 1] : Modify bet persistence 272368570562 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'


6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50 of unmatched bet (Ref:272368570483) was filled before remainder was killed.
6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 100.00 Lay bet placed on The Whipmaster at 2.1. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368606781
6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 50 of unmatched bet (Ref:272368570562) was filled before remainder was killed.
6/25/2022 16:30:21: [G_Auto 1] : £ 62.69 Lay bet placed on The Whipmaster at 3.35. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 272368607052
6/25/2022 16:32:13: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
6/25/2022 16:32:14: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
6/25/2022 16:32:15: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
6/25/2022 16:34:38: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended


And then back to normal again. The lay bet was fired (fill or kill after the keep command in the rogue instance.

Was there a problem with bf today or has anyone else had this issue?

Thanks for any help.

Rich
The price must have moved just as the back bet was placed therefore it wasn't matched immediately, the keep rule then triggered before the back was matched and the offset lay placed

You could increase the time the keep unmatched bets rule is armed for and set it to trigger multiple times and rearming every 5secs or so
Morrisman
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Thanks Dallas
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ShaunWhite
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Testing a bot with fifty pound notes is a bit punchy. :shock:
Sparky67
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How do I turn off the confirm bet before being placed. Do I have to do this every time in settings?
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