Back or Lay at a Percentage of BSP Guardian Automation Bot

airtomoreira
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Have been having a play with this today in PM. The problem I'd like to overcome is that quite often my back bets aren't being accepted, presumably due to the price collapsing quickly through the 50% BSP value (the horses in question have gone on to win, meaning that I've lost out on not being able to back them. Had my bet been accepted, I'd have shown a profit on the race, instead of a loss).

How can I tell Bet Angel to place a bet at 50% of BSP (as per the automation rule), but if that bet is not accepted, to close the bet say 2 seconds later, and take the best price available? OK, I won't be getting 50% of the BSP, but will at least probably be getting something close to it. For example, if the BSP is 10, and my bet at 5 isn't accepted, I'd rather accept a bet at say 4.6 rather than no bet at all.

Thanks in advance.
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airtomoreira wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:26 pm
Have been having a play with this today in PM. The problem I'd like to overcome is that quite often my back bets aren't being accepted, presumably due to the price collapsing quickly through the 50% BSP value (the horses in question have gone on to win, meaning that I've lost out on not being able to back them. Had my bet been accepted, I'd have shown a profit on the race, instead of a loss).

How can I tell Bet Angel to place a bet at 50% of BSP (as per the automation rule), but if that bet is not accepted, to close the bet say 2 seconds later, and take the best price available? OK, I won't be getting 50% of the BSP, but will at least probably be getting something close to it. For example, if the BSP is 10, and my bet at 5 isn't accepted, I'd rather accept a bet at say 4.6 rather than no bet at all.

Thanks in advance.
You could put your first bet in at 4.6, and if the price is 5 or greater it will take that instead so you wouldnt need to worry about the 2nd bet.
airtomoreira
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4.6 is just an example of the sort of price that I might be offered in the illustration I've given above.

If the process is fully automated, then Bet Angel will place a back bet at 5 if the BSP is 10. I understand the point that you're making about the lower price, but if I "put the bet in at 4.6", then I'll be faced with the same problem, that the bet would only be triggered when the price was 4.6, and the price might collapse past that point before my bet could be matched. I'd like the bet to be triggered when the price is 5.

I suppose that, taking things to its extreme, what I'm looking for is a way of saying "ok, if the BSP was 10, and the price is now 5, fire in a back bet at 1.01, which will be matched at the best available price, whether that's 5 or somewhere marginally below it (or possibly above it)"

I'm sure that it's easy enough to do this, but I'm by no means an automation expert, and can't figure out how to do it myself...sorry, any help would be appreciated!
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airtomoreira wrote:
Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:17 pm
4.6 is just an example of the sort of price that I might be offered in the illustration I've given above.

If the process is fully automated, then Bet Angel will place a back bet at 5 if the BSP is 10. I understand the point that you're making about the lower price, but if I "put the bet in at 4.6", then I'll be faced with the same problem, that the bet would only be triggered when the price was 4.6, and the price might collapse past that point before my bet could be matched. I'd like the bet to be triggered when the price is 5.

I suppose that, taking things to its extreme, what I'm looking for is a way of saying "ok, if the BSP was 10, and the price is now 5, fire in a back bet at 1.01, which will be matched at the best available price, whether that's 5 or somewhere marginally below it (or possibly above it)"

I'm sure that it's easy enough to do this, but I'm by no means an automation expert, and can't figure out how to do it myself...sorry, any help would be appreciated!

Take a look here on the 1st page
viewtopic.php?p=175713#p175713

Change the number from 50% to whatever you like (99%?)
airtomoreira
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But if I did that, then surely my bet would not be placed until (in my example) the price was 99% less than the BSP (so if the BSP was 10, the bet wouldn't be placed until the price was 1.05). I want to place the bet, as per the Automation rule, at 50% of BSP, (5) - but if my bet at 5 isn't accepted because the odds have reduced below 5 in the short time that it takes my bet to reach the market, I want to accept the best market price that is available, which is, in the vast majority of instances, going to be somewhere in the region of between 4 and 4.9, unless something very significant happens at the very same time, for example the long odds on favourite falls
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airtomoreira wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 6:46 am
But if I did that, then surely my bet would not be placed until (in my example) the price was 99% less than the BSP (so if the BSP was 10, the bet wouldn't be placed until the price was 1.05). I want to place the bet, as per the Automation rule, at 50% of BSP, (5) - but if my bet at 5 isn't accepted because the odds have reduced below 5 in the short time that it takes my bet to reach the market, I want to accept the best market price that is available, which is, in the vast majority of instances, going to be somewhere in the region of between 4 and 4.9, unless something very significant happens at the very same time, for example the long odds on favourite falls
You are correct. My mistake. Sorry.

You'd need to put in the 2nd bet at 101
airtomoreira
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What second bet? I only want to place one bet, so that it gets matched as near as possible to 5 (in the above example)
jtrader
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airtomoreira wrote:
Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:44 pm
What second bet? I only want to place one bet, so that it gets matched as near as possible to 5 (in the above example)
You need to set refresh interval = 20ms,change in "Stored Values" in "Store Back BSP" rule Amount = 50% and change in "Parameters" in "Back at Percentage of BSP" rule 50% instead of 60% and you have needed .baf file I think.
Back at 60% Lower than BSP.baf
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Atho55
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I think there might be 2 potential solutions to this.

Solution 1. Create further SV`s with different %`s keeping the SV trigger name the same. Then add Matched & Unmatched bets =0

Solution 2. Create a Condition group that has varying %`s within it rather than use the SV.

The screenshot shows both solutions I hope.

Back @ 50% BSP.jpg
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JamesMu
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Hi, I'm very new to this and have a few stupid questions. I'm wanting to lay ANY horse that goes 50 percent of the BSP in the first furlong or so of a race. is it possible to do this?
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Dallas
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JamesMu wrote:
Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:52 pm
Hi, I'm very new to this and have a few stupid questions. I'm wanting to lay ANY horse that goes 50 percent of the BSP in the first furlong or so of a race. is it possible to do this?
You can do that with file, there's no way to tell where a horse is on the course, but it takes approx 10-15secs to run the 1st furlong depending on the race length so you could just arm your rule till around 00:00:13 after going in-play
JamesMu
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thank you for the reply, is there a simple 'Lay at 40 percent less in the first 15 seconds of a race' set up anywhere? I am very new to this and struggling to get my head around everything at the moment. If it would be possible to send me it if so id really appreciate that.
DalS
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Hi Dallas, can you please check that this file is as you described, I dont think it has the same parameters? And I am not good enough to change them yet. Thanks
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DalS wrote:
Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:24 am
Hi Dallas, can you please check that this file is as you described, I dont think it has the same parameters? And I am not good enough to change them yet. Thanks
The parameters are correct as per opening post;

Back Rule places at - Custom % below actual SP 50%
Lay Rule places at - Custom % above actual SP 100%
DalS
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Thanks for checking, I can see where I got confused.
Can you tell me, if I were to lay at % of sp on a selection, but no greater than say 15 sp, what I would need to add/change.
Thanks
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