DOB with Moving Exit Guardian Automation Bot

Post Reply
User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 22673
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm
Location: Working From Home

rkay wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 12:18 am
Hi Dallas , regarding my post and your comments re trading low liquidity Aus markets ( you were abs right ) .
I tried this bot in UK markets . My Gaurdian refresh rate at 20ms and and market switch time 60 secs ( I am in nz and not watching the races ) - hope these settings are correct ? Also Restrict refresh unticked.
I got great results in one race , with profit more that the usual DOB , but on 2 x races .. the horse went on to win or race at a much lower lay price than DOB with profits only small fraction of DOB. The trades were closed at a higher lay price for some reason . I am attaching log for one of the races below . The horse traded at a low of 4.0 inrunning. I have read earlier posts on this issue , could these trades be exiting at a sudden price spike which is happening quite often ?
Many thanks for your help!

19/08/2021 23:54:28: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
19/08/2021 23:54:34: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
20/08/2021 05:34:55: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: exit = 13.5 - 50% = 6.8
20/08/2021 05:34:55: [G_Auto 1] : $ 5.00 Back bet placed on French Mix at 13. Fully matched at 13.5. Ref: 241527524807
20/08/2021 05:36:38: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
20/08/2021 05:36:38: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
20/08/2021 05:36:38: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
20/08/2021 05:38:14: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 6.6 + 10 ticks = 8.6
20/08/2021 05:38:17: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 6.2 + 10 ticks = 8.2
20/08/2021 05:38:26: [G_Auto 1] : Placed closure bet with greening on French Mix by Laying 6.43 at 10.5
20/08/2021 05:38:27: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 5.9 + 10 ticks = 7.8
20/08/2021 05:38:29: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 5.7 + 10 ticks = 7.4
20/08/2021 05:38:31: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 5.5 + 10 ticks = 7
20/08/2021 05:38:32: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 5.1 + 10 ticks = 6.2
20/08/2021 05:38:35: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 5 + 10 ticks = 6
20/08/2021 05:38:36: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 4.5 + 10 ticks = 5.5
20/08/2021 05:38:38: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 4.3 + 10 ticks = 5.3
20/08/2021 05:39:11: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
20/08/2021 05:39:12: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
20/08/2021 05:39:13: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
20/08/2021 05:39:14: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
20/08/2021 05:39:15: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
20/08/2021 05:39:17: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
20/08/2021 05:39:18: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for French Mix: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
20/08/2021 05:39:19: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
The green up rule will trigger if the price drifts back out above the Stored value, even if just for a fraction of a second, so at 05:38:26 it must of bounced out and touched 10.5 to trigger the greening rule, before going on to win (although it possible it also bounced out a few more times during the rest of the race but the rule will trigger at the first)
rkay
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:22 am

Thank you Dallas .
Yes , but it should have exited at 8.2 ( new exit ) before it reached 10.5 , but went right through.
Like you say , this could happen whilst using this very useful bot if the price in running moves down , shoots/ spikes up for a nano sec and comes down again. The exit ( greening ) will not be ideal at these times. Will need to keep this in mind.
Cheers .
User avatar
ShaunWhite
Posts: 9731
Joined: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:42 am

rkay wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:16 am
Yes , but it should have exited at 8.2
PMed you several days ago about this. There's no advantage to be had using stops and trying to use stops in-running is verging on suicidal. Sounds like an easy way to win but that alone should be a big red flag.
User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 22673
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm
Location: Working From Home

rkay wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 10:16 am
Thank you Dallas .
Yes , but it should have exited at 8.2 ( new exit ) before it reached 10.5 , but went right through.
Like you say , this could happen whilst using this very useful bot if the price in running moves down , shoots/ spikes up for a nano sec and comes down again. The exit ( greening ) will not be ideal at these times. Will need to keep this in mind.
Cheers .
The green up rule triggers if the lay price goes anywhere above the 'new exit', and when it triggers it is placed at whatever price it is.
If you look at the example log in the OP you'll see it has also triggered a few ticks above the 'new exit' because it's rarely going to land on exactly the new 'exit odds'
User avatar
Shaung89
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:39 pm

Hi Dallas,

Are the 'New_Exit' store values correct here? I set up the additional condition you mentioned also to create a 2nd new exit where green up will not happen unless the jump is significant enough however I always seem to see a new_exit value of '0' + 'x' ticks.

The '0' value doesn't look correct however.

4/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: exit = 3.7 - 50% = 1.85
04/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : £ 5.00 Back bet placed on Shandoz at 3.65. Fully matched at 3.7. Ref: 246335750267
04/10/2021 15:00:50: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit2 = 0 + 25 ticks = 1.26
User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 22673
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm
Location: Working From Home

Shaung89 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:26 pm
Hi Dallas,

Are the 'New_Exit' store values correct here? I set up the additional condition you mentioned also to create a 2nd new exit where green up will not happen unless the jump is significant enough however I always seem to see a new_exit value of '0' + 'x' ticks.

The '0' value doesn't look correct however.

4/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: exit = 3.7 - 50% = 1.85
04/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : £ 5.00 Back bet placed on Shandoz at 3.65. Fully matched at 3.7. Ref: 246335750267
04/10/2021 15:00:50: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit2 = 0 + 25 ticks = 1.26
Which additional condition are you referring to?
User avatar
Shaung89
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:39 pm

Dallas wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:00 pm
Shaung89 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:26 pm
Hi Dallas,

Are the 'New_Exit' store values correct here? I set up the additional condition you mentioned also to create a 2nd new exit where green up will not happen unless the jump is significant enough however I always seem to see a new_exit value of '0' + 'x' ticks.

The '0' value doesn't look correct however.

4/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: exit = 3.7 - 50% = 1.85
04/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : £ 5.00 Back bet placed on Shandoz at 3.65. Fully matched at 3.7. Ref: 246335750267
04/10/2021 15:00:50: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit2 = 0 + 25 ticks = 1.26
Which additional condition are you referring to?
Top of Page 9 of this thread
User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 22673
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm
Location: Working From Home

Shaung89 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:21 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:00 pm
Shaung89 wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:26 pm
Hi Dallas,

Are the 'New_Exit' store values correct here? I set up the additional condition you mentioned also to create a 2nd new exit where green up will not happen unless the jump is significant enough however I always seem to see a new_exit value of '0' + 'x' ticks.

The '0' value doesn't look correct however.

4/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: exit = 3.7 - 50% = 1.85
04/10/2021 14:59:55: [G_Auto 1] : £ 5.00 Back bet placed on Shandoz at 3.65. Fully matched at 3.7. Ref: 246335750267
04/10/2021 15:00:50: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
04/10/2021 15:00:51: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit = 0 + 10 ticks = 1.11
04/10/2021 15:03:16: [G_Auto 1] : Store Value for Shandoz: new exit2 = 0 + 25 ticks = 1.26
Which additional condition are you referring to?
Top of Page 9 of this thread
No you shouldn't get a '0'

Have you doubled checked you've set yours up exactly as shown in the images I posted?
User avatar
Shaung89
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:39 pm

Thanks Dallas.

I went back to basics and just downloaded your original file.

What i'm trying to do is not necessarily nominate a selection pre-live, but to look for a scenario in play where i can then place a back bet which greens up using your DOB file.

All I have tried to do, is :
- add a new row 1 - set signal on selection when criteria met (ANY selection)
DOB_Moving_Exit1.png

- add a new row 2 - place back bet when signal set on selection (ANY selection)
DOB_Moving_Exit2.png
- change your DOB rows from Nominated Selection 1 to ANY selection

However, Row 1 (signal) is being set but the back bet when signal set is not working. Do you want me to attach the file, or is something obvious from my comments above?

Thanks
Shaun
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 22673
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm
Location: Working From Home

Regarding the back bet not triggering the most likely reason that springs to mind is the signal rule is being set on the market but the back bet condition is testing for a signal set on a selection

So I'd double check that first

Regarding the '0' you said you were getting in a previous post I can see that is now coming from placing the back bet at fixed odds of 1.01
The way the original stored value was set up is it takes the entry price the bet was placed at (which I think was set as the 'best market price') then calculates from that.

But that won't work when placing it at 1.01, so if you use best price, or custom ticks below best reverse price and stick to just a few ticks that will allow the calculation to be done
User avatar
Shaung89
Posts: 181
Joined: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:39 pm

Dallas wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:35 pm
Regarding the back bet not triggering the most likely reason that springs to mind is the signal rule is being set on the market but the back bet condition is testing for a signal set on a selection

So I'd double check that first

Regarding the '0' you said you were getting in a previous post I can see that is now coming from placing the back bet at fixed odds of 1.01
The way the original stored value was set up is it takes the entry price the bet was placed at (which I think was set as the 'best market price') then calculates from that.

But that won't work when placing it at 1.01, so if you use best price, or custom ticks below best reverse price and stick to just a few ticks that will allow the calculation to be done
All checked but not working. Have attached if you can take a look - im sure you will spot it instantly :D
Last edited by Shaung89 on Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:48 pm, edited 2 times in total.
User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 22673
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm
Location: Working From Home

Shaung89 wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:27 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:35 pm
Regarding the back bet not triggering the most likely reason that springs to mind is the signal rule is being set on the market but the back bet condition is testing for a signal set on a selection

So I'd double check that first

Regarding the '0' you said you were getting in a previous post I can see that is now coming from placing the back bet at fixed odds of 1.01
The way the original stored value was set up is it takes the entry price the bet was placed at (which I think was set as the 'best market price') then calculates from that.

But that won't work when placing it at 1.01, so if you use best price, or custom ticks below best reverse price and stick to just a few ticks that will allow the calculation to be done
All checked but not working. Have attached if you can take a look - im sure you will spot it instantly :D

ForDallas.baf
Everything's looks fine with it although it is quite a 'tight' trigger so you won't see it fire very often
ie, set to trigger 1 time means only the first with an SP <50 that then trades >150
That runner then needs to trade <50 again

Unless you've actually seen the with a signal set trade <50 afterwards and its still not triggered?
andyredshaw365
Posts: 15
Joined: Sun May 24, 2020 7:54 pm

knocked my % down to 15%, my selection drops too that then nothing just goes on to lose a full stake ?
andyredshaw365
Posts: 15
Joined: Sun May 24, 2020 7:54 pm

scratch that i set it to 22% doh
andyredshaw365
Posts: 15
Joined: Sun May 24, 2020 7:54 pm

hi any way to add a stop loss into this thanks ?
Post Reply

Return to “Bet Angel Automation - Horse racing - In-running”