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westoncott
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Hi there. Quick question for Dallas. If I add a fill or kill option to this bot to clear the bet if the odds don't shorten enough to get the lay taken, am I right in thinking that I would have to give it a delay of somewhere around 240 to allow time for the race to start and the odds to develop in-running? Thanks.
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westoncott wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:33 am
Hi there. Quick question for Dallas. If I add a fill or kill option to this bot to clear the bet if the odds don't shorten enough to get the lay taken, am I right in thinking that I would have to give it a delay of somewhere around 240 to allow time for the race to start and the odds to develop in-running? Thanks.
The fill/kill only applies to the opening part of the bet not the offset, once the offset lay is placed if you wanted to cancel after a specific time if still unmatched you would need to add a 'green up' rule or similar to do it.
westoncott
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Thanks Dallas. Understand more now.
westoncott
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Hi All, I now understand a lot more about how the automation rules work but I'm a bit confused about the LOG file. I ran the Free Bet on Favourite rule on three races this afternoon and they all worked fine. Looking in Betfair Profit and Loss Record I can see that I have either won or lost nothing. Just as it should be. But if I look at the automation Log file I can see that it places the initial back bet, and that it gets taken. However the lay bet is logged as having been put into the market and been totally unmatched, There are no further log entries about this lay bet having been matched later - but it must have been, Why does the log file not show this? Any ideas?
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westoncott wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:19 pm
There are no further log entries about this lay bet having been matched later - but it must have been, Why does the log file not show this? Any ideas?
The log only records bets as they reach the market, if they are not matched until a later time this wont be shown in the log and you need to refer to your matched bets history for this
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Thanks again Dallas.
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eminbe wrote:
Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:50 pm
Hi

I placed a back bet at the start of 6f class 4 Maiden Stakes (Plus 10) race at 14:30 today and I have offset to lay by 1 tick down the odds, but it never matched.

Has that ever happened to anyone? :cry: :evil:

01/09/2016 14:32:03: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
01/09/2016 14:32:03: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
01/09/2016 14:32:04: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
01/09/2016 14:32:05: [G_Auto] : £ 1100.00 Back bet placed on Swiss Storm at 1.8. Fully matched at 1.89. Ref: 10010 ( Offsetting by 1 ticks. )
01/09/2016 14:32:05: [G_Auto] : £ 11.00 Lay bet placed on Swiss Storm at 1.87. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10011
01/09/2016 14:32:05: [G_Auto] : Modify bet persistence 10011 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

01/09/2016 14:32:06: [G_Auto] : £ 1100.00 Lay bet placed on Swiss Storm at 1.88. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 10012
01/09/2016 14:32:06: [G_Auto] : Modify bet persistence 10012 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

01/09/2016 14:33:16: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
I'm not entirely sure of your question? If you are asking whether a fav will drift out without a single tick of steaming? then yes this happens alot in maiden, novice, claimers and sellers. Just out of interest what made you pick a Maiden Stakes race? and this was in practice mode right?
mickypaul72
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If my thinking is correct I have thought of a No Lose Bet. Firstly you can LAY the draw on the Villa game tomorrow @3.2 with a stake of £100 which leaves a liability of £220. Then if you BACK the draw with another bookmaker (in this case Sky bet) @3.20 with a stake of £69 which leaves a return of £220 which covers the LAY the draw liability.
So if the lay the draw bet wins you win £100 minus the £69 draw bet which leaves £31 profit.
If the back the draw bet wins you win £220 which covers the losing lay the draw liabily leaving zero profit.
So in this example the only profit will be the £31 from the lay bet because should the back bet win the returns are used to cover the liability fron the lay bet.

Please let me know if im missing something
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mickypaul72 wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 2:34 pm
If my thinking is correct I have thought of a No Lose Bet. Firstly you can LAY the draw on the Villa game tomorrow @3.2 with a stake of £100 which leaves a liability of £220. Then if you BACK the draw with another bookmaker (in this case Sky bet) @3.20 with a stake of £69 which leaves a return of £220 which covers the LAY the draw liability.
So if the lay the draw bet wins you win £100 minus the £69 draw bet which leaves £31 profit.
If the back the draw bet wins you win £220 which covers the losing lay the draw liabily leaving zero profit.
So in this example the only profit will be the £31 from the lay bet because should the back bet win the returns are used to cover the liability fron the lay bet.

Please let me know if im missing something
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mickypaul72 wrote:
Fri May 25, 2018 2:34 pm
If my thinking is correct I have thought of a No Lose Bet. Firstly you can LAY the draw on the Villa game tomorrow @3.2 with a stake of £100 which leaves a liability of £220. Then if you BACK the draw with another bookmaker (in this case Sky bet) @3.20 with a stake of £69 which leaves a return of £220 which covers the LAY the draw liability.
So if the lay the draw bet wins you win £100 minus the £69 draw bet which leaves £31 profit.
If the back the draw bet wins you win £220 which covers the losing lay the draw liabily leaving zero profit.
So in this example the only profit will be the £31 from the lay bet because should the back bet win the returns are used to cover the liability fron the lay bet.

Please let me know if im missing something
£220 from the back bet is your total return including stake, your profit is only £152

You would need to back for £100 to achieve £220 profit and effectively scratch your lay bet and make £0 no matter what the result (but lose a bit in commission if the lay bet wins).
mickypaul72
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Ah yes of course I did think of that but I couldnt quite get my head round it, thanks for making it clear.
SidSmith
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Hi,

This is a great bot and i have been having a lot of fun with it, however for some reason it has stopped keeping the lay bets in play. It places the back bet fine, then places the lay but as a cancel in play. I haven't modified the settings in anyway. Any idea's ?
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SidSmith wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:14 pm
Hi,

This is a great bot and i have been having a lot of fun with it, however for some reason it has stopped keeping the lay bets in play. It places the back bet fine, then places the lay but as a cancel in play. I haven't modified the settings in anyway. Any idea's ?
Its likely due to the number of markets you have refreshing in Guardian.

Either increase the guardian refresh rate or within the rule extend the time the 'Keep unmatched bets' rule is armed for
Darklips
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Hi Dallas

I've been using this bot since joining less than 2 weeks ago and can see some merit I it and I have done ok as a newby with it

I have converted it to Back the 2nd Favourite to get better profits if that horse comes home to win
What I would like to do though is when the Lay bet is matched would be to split 1/2 of it to the next Favourite horse so that I'm covering 2 horses home for free

Any help would be great ;)

Darklips...
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Dallas
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Darklips wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:25 am
Hi Dallas

I've been using this bot since joining less than 2 weeks ago and can see some merit I it and I have done ok as a newby with it

I have converted it to Back the 2nd Favourite to get better profits if that horse comes home to win
What I would like to do though is when the Lay bet is matched would be to split 1/2 of it to the next Favourite horse so that I'm covering 2 horses home for free

Any help would be great ;)

Darklips...
It would be possible if the first bet was always greening to a fixed profit but as this is variable and there isn't currently a condition or way to test the current profit amount there's no way to know how much to move onto the second.
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