Stable Scalping Guardian Automation Bot for Horse Racing

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jdev1991
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Hello,

Just looking for a bit of advise. After testing this file I noticed that a lay bet often gets matched before the back bet. Is this just a characteristic of using the offsetting in parameters, that the offset bet gets fired into the market at the same time as the back bet even though the back bet has not being matched yet. Or do I have my bet angel settings setup wrong for this type of automation.

Many Thanks
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jdev1991 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 12:34 pm
Hello,

Just looking for a bit of advise. After testing this file I noticed that a lay bet often gets matched before the back bet. Is this just a characteristic of using the offsetting in parameters, that the offset bet gets fired into the market at the same time as the back bet even though the back bet has not being matched yet. Or do I have my bet angel settings setup wrong for this type of automation.

Many Thanks
Its been set up on purpose to place both bets at the same time on the basis the market is stable so best to have them both arrive in the market at the same time rather than wait for 1 to be matched then offset and have to wait for that to get to the front of the queue and get matched.

If you want to change it so the offset is only placed after one side is filled you can enable the fill/kill option
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11817
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bcuk69
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Hi Dallas, is this suitable with v1.52.0 as the two tick rule doesn't seem to be working

As always

JL :D
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bcuk69 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:08 pm
Hi Dallas, is this suitable with v1.52.0 as the two tick rule doesn't seem to be working

As always

JL :D
Yes, all files will continue to work the same after updating to a new version

Can you be more specific about what not triggering now?
Perhaps include a copy of the log for a market?
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bcuk69
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I have tried to take a screen print dude but for some reason it wont work.
Essentially, once it has backed the block for a two tick movement against us does not seem to be working.
Off £5 stakes im losing a couple of quid each race! Not the end of the world I know but a tad frustrating.
Apologies again
JL
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bcuk69 wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:11 pm
I have tried to take a screen print dude but for some reason it wont work.
Essentially, once it has backed the block for a two tick movement against us does not seem to be working.
Off £5 stakes im losing a couple of quid each race! Not the end of the world I know but a tad frustrating.
Apologies again
JL
Could you post a log for a market where it hasn't worked?
Just copy and paste that part into a reply?
MonkeyJohn
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@dallas - I've been testing this but noticed that in a few races it had not greened up before the race starts. I have the logs for 2 races, do I post here?

Thanks.
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MonkeyJohn wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:03 pm
@dallas - I've been testing this but noticed that in a few races it had not greened up before the race starts. I have the logs for 2 races, do I post here?

Thanks.
How many markets do you have in guardian and are you still using the default Guardian Refresh rate?
If so it's likely they are not being refreshed quickly enough, the following post explains how this works and how to set guardian up optimally to give your rules the best chance of triggering
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=11491
HBSlobom
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Great content again Dallas!

Probably a simple question and I've seen a few posts on this but can't get my head around it. For a stable scalping bot i understand you want similar money waiting on the back and lay sides, does WOM condition cover this? ie - if i set WOM to < / > 50% would this indicate the bot would only trigger when there is identical money on back and lay side?

Also, a potentially unrelated question, but I was wondering if you could point me in the direction of a thread that details how (if possible) I could implement a 'stable price' condition similar to the one you've used in this bot but instead of being capped by seconds, it can be applied to a longer time period? This would be suitable for soccer odds where I want to filter selections odds on favorites that have stable price graphs (eg for the day or two leading up to kick off)

Really appreciate any help
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HBSlobom wrote:
Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:30 am
Great content again Dallas!

Probably a simple question and I've seen a few posts on this but can't get my head around it. For a stable scalping bot i understand you want similar money waiting on the back and lay sides, does WOM condition cover this? ie - if i set WOM to < / > 50% would this indicate the bot would only trigger when there is identical money on back and lay side?

Also, a potentially unrelated question, but I was wondering if you could point me in the direction of a thread that details how (if possible) I could implement a 'stable price' condition similar to the one you've used in this bot but instead of being capped by seconds, it can be applied to a longer time period? This would be suitable for soccer odds where I want to filter selections odds on favorites that have stable price graphs (eg for the day or two leading up to kick off)

Really appreciate any help
Re the WOM, yes that is correct, or you could look at the money waiting at the best 3 prices, that would allow you even more control and to be able ask for tighter conditions, the following servant is an example of how this can be set up
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=11238

For the time, you'd just set the number of seconds as longer, but to ensure something doesnt move out and back within the time frame you'll need to use several conditions in a similar as this stable scalping uses.
ie, to test the price is still around the same price as it was 2mins, 5mins, 10mins, 20,mins 30mins, 45mins ago etc
makkad
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I may have missed the required info on here.

I'm seeking a method of NOT placing an automatic back bet if the LTP is within say, 2/3 ticks of the lower trading range (i.e. close to the bottom/support of a trading range). Similarly not placing a lay bet if the LTP is close to the top/resistance of a trading range.

It's a matter of identifying the trading range I think. Which, I believe is not a feature (although it is on Excel integration - can be added on "Additional Columns").

Perhaps I'm missing the correct terminology
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makkad wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:21 pm
I may have missed the required info on here.

I'm seeking a method of NOT placing an automatic back bet if the LTP is within say, 2/3 ticks of the lower trading range (i.e. close to the bottom/support of a trading range). Similarly not placing a lay bet if the LTP is close to the top/resistance of a trading range.

It's a matter of identifying the trading range I think. Which, I believe is not a feature (although it is on Excel integration - can be added on "Additional Columns").

Perhaps I'm missing the correct terminology
Try this one,
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=20242

It already finds the top of a traded range so you'll just need to change the stored value to look for the bottom and modify the adjustment part from a percentage to add the number ticks you want

Then on your back bet rule add a stored value conditon to test the current price is greater than your stored value above
makkad
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Dallas wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:29 pm
makkad wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:21 pm
I may have missed the required info on here.

I'm seeking a method of NOT placing an automatic back bet if the LTP is within say, 2/3 ticks of the lower trading range (i.e. close to the bottom/support of a trading range). Similarly not placing a lay bet if the LTP is close to the top/resistance of a trading range.

It's a matter of identifying the trading range I think. Which, I believe is not a feature (although it is on Excel integration - can be added on "Additional Columns").

Perhaps I'm missing the correct terminology
Try this one,
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=20242

It already finds the top of a traded range so you'll just need to change the stored value to look for the bottom and modify the adjustment part from a percentage to add the number ticks you want

Then on your back bet rule add a stored value conditon to test the current price is greater than your stored value above
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thanks Dallas - this is really appreciated, I will investigate the above.

I think it would be a good idea to add the Trading High/Low data in the "conditions" tab of the Rules Editor. It can't be difficult as the data's alredy available on the Excel Integration. Thanks again.
makkad
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Dallas wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:29 pm
makkad wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:21 pm
I may have missed the required info on here.

I'm seeking a method of NOT placing an automatic back bet if the LTP is within say, 2/3 ticks of the lower trading range (i.e. close to the bottom/support of a trading range). Similarly not placing a lay bet if the LTP is close to the top/resistance of a trading range.

It's a matter of identifying the trading range I think. Which, I believe is not a feature (although it is on Excel integration - can be added on "Additional Columns").

Perhaps I'm missing the correct terminology
Try this one,
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=20242

It already finds the top of a traded range so you'll just need to change the stored value to look for the bottom and modify the adjustment part from a percentage to add the number ticks you want

Then on your back bet rule add a stored value conditon to test the current price is greater than your stored value above

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...

Dallas, the stored values for each Betfair row are called "high" - don't they have to be unique? e.g. high1, high2, high3?

I'm unsure of this - still learning bot building

Thanks
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makkad wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 8:23 pm
Dallas wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:29 pm
makkad wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 7:21 pm
I may have missed the required info on here.

I'm seeking a method of NOT placing an automatic back bet if the LTP is within say, 2/3 ticks of the lower trading range (i.e. close to the bottom/support of a trading range). Similarly not placing a lay bet if the LTP is close to the top/resistance of a trading range.

It's a matter of identifying the trading range I think. Which, I believe is not a feature (although it is on Excel integration - can be added on "Additional Columns").

Perhaps I'm missing the correct terminology
Try this one,
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=20242

It already finds the top of a traded range so you'll just need to change the stored value to look for the bottom and modify the adjustment part from a percentage to add the number ticks you want

Then on your back bet rule add a stored value conditon to test the current price is greater than your stored value above
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thanks Dallas - this is really appreciated, I will investigate the above.

I think it would be a good idea to add the Trading High/Low data in the "conditions" tab of the Rules Editor. It can't be difficult as the data's alredy available on the Excel Integration. Thanks again.
The high/low traded volume does already exist as a condition, it's one of the options of the stored value condition

But like the excel and market overview window these will show the prices with small amounts matched, so dont identify a true traded range or the current trading range the price is in.

So using the stored value option you can set your minimum amount to be recognised and the step in price tou want to see to define if it's the top or bottom etc

The names dont need to be unique unless they were all being stored on the same same row/selection, When looking for a stored value the condition first looks at the row then a name of the SV in that row
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