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Dallas
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widgewilliams wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:13 pm
Dallas wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:43 pm

The file is made for the Betfair version of Bet Angel not Batdaq

It can be created in the Betdaq version in the same way though, details are outlined in this post
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11488

For what you want you'll need 4 rules 2 for pre off and 2 for in-play
Thanks Dallas,

Do the below rules look about right to you?

Rule 1: Profit Before the Off
Rule Type: Green all selections
Rule Trigger Times: Relative to Event Start Time. Arm Trigger at X before start time until Y before start time.
Allow Trigger up to 3 times, Wait 3 seconds before rearming.
Condition Type: Green all Profit Conditions
The Green profit value across all selection is greater than £9.99

Rule 4: Loss In Play
Rule Type: Green all selections
Rule Trigger Times: Relative to Inplay Time. Arm Trigger at 00:00:00 after event goes inplay until 00:10:00 after event goes inplay.
Allow Trigger up to 3 times. Wait 3 seconds before rearming.
Condition Type: Green all Profit Conditions.
The Green profit value across all selections is less than £-4.99

And of course the 2 opposite rules also.
Yes they look spot on
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Many thanks Dallas
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Hi,

I've looked through this thread and several others (viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11954) plus some of the vids. To keep it simple, can I use the rule "Green All Selections" with a condition type of "Green All Profit Conditions" with the "green all profit value across all selections" set at "Greater than" -£xx to hedge across all outcomes for a profit or loss. This way I don't have to put two rules in to cash out for any loss or profit?
EG -
I've set a rule to back U 2.5 goals at 25 mins and lay the same market at 35 mins. At 36 mins I want to cash out for a profit or loss (there may be a goal scored between 25 mins and 35 mins so there may be a loss in the market). So if I set "Green all profit value across all selections" and set it to greater than -£20 (£20 is the most I could lose ) then would that cash it out for equal profit or loss?
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leest2019 wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:19 pm
Hi,

I've looked through this thread and several others (viewtopic.php?f=56&t=11954) plus some of the vids. To keep it simple, can I use the rule "Green All Selections" with a condition type of "Green All Profit Conditions" with the "green all profit value across all selections" set at "Greater than" -£xx to hedge across all outcomes for a profit or loss. This way I don't have to put two rules in to cash out for any loss or profit?
EG -
I've set a rule to back U 2.5 goals at 25 mins and lay the same market at 35 mins. At 36 mins I want to cash out for a profit or loss (there may be a goal scored between 25 mins and 35 mins so there may be a loss in the market). So if I set "Green all profit value across all selections" and set it to greater than -£20 (£20 is the most I could lose ) then would that cash it out for equal profit or loss?
It would trigger if your loss exceeds -£20
If it triggers as the price it naturally decaying then you'll get out for that amount or just over.
If a goal is scored the market will reform at much higher/lower odd than it was at before the goal, your rule will still trigger but you could be in a much higher loss when the market forms and your green up bet gets matched
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Ok. I get it (I was looking at "greater than" -20 as being -20 or higher (moving up towards a +). Thanks. How would you set a cash out for any profit or loss at a specific time no matter what's come before?
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leest2019 wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:44 pm
Ok. I get it (I was looking at "greater than" -20 as being -20 or higher (moving up towards a +). Thanks. How would you set a cash out for any profit or loss at a specific time no matter what's come before?
The last post of this thread gives you a useful way to visualise how the greater/less then works when setting conditions with P/L
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11488

Just arm the rule for the time you want and don't use any profit condition
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Thanks for that. I already looked at the thread, but wondered if it was possible to do without putting two Green All Profit Conditions in. I'll do it that way though if that's what you recommend. Thanks again.
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leest2019 wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:10 am
Thanks for that. I already looked at the thread, but wondered if it was possible to do without putting two Green All Profit Conditions in. I'll do it that way though if that's what you recommend. Thanks again.
You don't need any profit conditions if you just want to green up at a certain time irrespective of your P/L
leest2019
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Ahhh - I've re read that. I see it. I'll have another look later. Ta
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Can this be set up to close out on individual runners at a set amount, instead of the whole market?

Thanks

Edit....I think I found the answer, green on selection.
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I think my issue is the same as many so probably not a lot more can be done than what I have read so far.

I lay the selection pre race and back selection to green up in running. Green up works fine and I have as a stop loss at 30% in place as well as Redding up as well. However with these fast changing in running markets often it isn't triggered and i'm losing the lot.
Is there no way of putting in place a set 'back' price below my lay price apart from using the fixed odds condition because that doesn't work for me as i'm using so many different price ranges. So basically just want it to put in place a back bet price at 30% below what I have layed at and for it to go in play.

Thanks
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biddynz wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:29 pm
I think my issue is the same as many so probably not a lot more can be done than what I have read so far.

I lay the selection pre race and back selection to green up in running. Green up works fine and I have as a stop loss at 30% in place as well as Redding up as well. However with these fast changing in running markets often it isn't triggered and i'm losing the lot.
Is there no way of putting in place a set 'back' price below my lay price apart from using the fixed odds condition because that doesn't work for me as i'm using so many different price ranges. So basically just want it to put in place a back bet price at 30% below what I have layed at and for it to go in play.

Thanks
The volatility and the Betfair bet delay onin-play markets means its impossible to guarantee every bet will be matched, you can increase the chance by having a bet trigger at a price then place several ticks behind it, the further behind the more the chance of being matched.
However the further away its placed means you'll need to green up additional times as this can only be calculated at either the price its placed or triggered
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Yes have a decent gap between the two but still not quite catching at times, it is because the markets im playing are small trading amounts so big swings i guess.
I haven't looked in to stored values etc too much as still at the learning stage but is there nothing in there that can store my matched Lay price then use that price as a guide to set a price for the fixed price to back?
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biddynz wrote:
Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:44 pm
Yes have a decent gap between the two but still not quite catching at times, it is because the markets im playing are small trading amounts so big swings i guess.
I haven't looked in to stored values etc too much as still at the learning stage but is there nothing in there that can store my matched Lay price then use that price as a guide to set a price for the fixed price to back?
Yes, but even if you place the back at 1.01 at best you'll still need to green up again to even out the loss which will require a another bet placed at or near the current price, and on some occasions you still won't be matched, ie, if its near the end or a race or the other runners fall or get hampered near the closing stages.
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Thank you.
I managed to sus out that I had the speed at 1 second refresh so once I changed that things improved in the only few races that were left for the night. Also noticed on a greyhound system i'm trying improved dramatically as well,that refresh rate can't be underestimated can it.

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