Find the Gap Guardian Automation Bot for Greyhounds

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murdok
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jimibt wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:47 pm

potentially, the issue is related to Betfair minimum bets. £10 for lay and £2 for back. If you place bets below those minimums, then it requires a couple of other bets to be placed behind the scenes to stay inside the BF rules... just a guess

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19/03/2020 20:52:05: Market changed to Monm 19th Mar - 20:57 A4 480m
19/03/2020 20:53:00: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Lay bet placed on 4. Carranna Storm at 4.4. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569598975 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:00: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Lay bet placed on 6. Leahys Dakota at 4.5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569598973 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:00: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on 6. Leahys Dakota at 4.8. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569598976 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:00: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on 4. Carranna Storm at 4.8. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569598972 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:02: [G_Auto] : £ 2 of unmatched bet (Ref:198569598975) was filled before remainder was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:03: [G_Auto] : £ 2 of unmatched bet (Ref:198569598976) was filled before remainder was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:10: [G_Auto] : £ 2 unmatched bet (Ref:198569598972) was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:10: [G_Auto] : £ 2 unmatched bet (Ref:198569598973) was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:13: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Lay bet placed on 6. Leahys Dakota at 4.5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569607845 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:24: [G_Auto] : £ 2 unmatched bet (Ref:198569607845) was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:35: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on 2. Ashgrove Magic at 5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569619906 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:35: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Lay bet placed on 2. Ashgrove Magic at 4.5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569619907 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:39: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on 4. Carranna Storm at 3.95. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569620796 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:45: [G_Auto] : £ 2 unmatched bet (Ref:198569619907) was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:45: [G_Auto] : £ 2 unmatched bet (Ref:198569619906) was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:46: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on 2. Ashgrove Magic at 5. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569623250 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:46: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Lay bet placed on 2. Ashgrove Magic at 4.6. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569623251 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:49: [G_Auto] : £ 2 unmatched bet (Ref:198569620796) was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:51: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Back bet placed on 4. Carranna Storm at 3.35. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569624460 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:53:51: [G_Auto] : £ 2 of unmatched bet (Ref:198569623250) was filled before remainder was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:51: [G_Auto] : £ 2 of unmatched bet (Ref:198569624460) was filled before remainder was killed.
19/03/2020 20:53:57: [G_Auto] : £ 2 unmatched bet (Ref:198569623251) was killed.
19/03/2020 20:54:05: [G_Auto] : £ 2.00 Lay bet placed on 2. Ashgrove Magic at 4.6. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 198569630572 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. )
19/03/2020 20:54:08: [G_Auto] : £ 2 of unmatched bet (Ref:198569630572) was filled before remainder was killed.
19/03/2020 20:56:50: [G_Auto] : Greened up 4. Carranna Storm by Backing 0.53 at 4
19/03/2020 20:56:50: [G_Auto] : Greened up 2. Ashgrove Magic by Laying 0.14 at 5.7
19/03/2020 20:56:50: [G_Auto] : Greened up 6. Leahys Dakota by Laying 1.50 at 6.4
19/03/2020 20:57:17: Market has been suspended
I switched to a £ 2 stake and it remains the same

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britguy
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Hi

I currently havent got BetAngel to try this out so struggling to totally understand what the original bot will do.

I understand it initially places a lay bet and a back bet in the gap. There will be fair chance of one bet being matched and then the price heads off in one direction leaving the other bet totally unmatched. Presumably that unmatched bet will cancel when the 10 second fill/kill period elapses ? If that is the way the bot works that will accumulate a fairly nasty loss until the point where it tries to green up for a loss.

Also what happens when the fill kill triggers and cancels the one unmatched bet ? There are now no unmatched bets in the market, so will the bot run again and place a new back and a new lay bet in the gap if a gap is still present ?

Thanks for any clarification
JonesP
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Hi how do I make this bot continue to bet for me after 4 matches?
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Dallas
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JonesP wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:40 am
Hi how do I make this bot continue to bet for me after 4 matches?
Just increase the number of times the rule can trigger on the 'General' Tab of the settings
rayb
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hi , just tried this program being a newbie not sure what im doing ?
but on another subject i've been using the lay bot described on you tube £10 liability lay fav. above 3 under 10 ,
i find it works well in the australian markets not english ,
so the question here is do you or other users know if a condition can be added to only trigger a lay if the second fav. is below a certain odds range .
Mike Oxlong
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Hi guys

Just downloaded this bot and run as-is, but the lay bet doesn't seem to be re-triggering if killed? Logs below:

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21/01/2024 11:50:00: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5.00 Back bet placed on 2. Minnies Mira at 4.4. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market.   Ref: 10039          ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay.   )
21/01/2024 11:50:00: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 2. Minnies Mira at 4. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market.   Ref: 10040          ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay.   )
21/01/2024 11:50:10: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:10040) was killed.
21/01/2024 11:50:10: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:10039) was killed.
21/01/2024 11:50:25: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5.00 Back bet placed on 2. Minnies Mira at 4.3. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market.   Ref: 10041          ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay.   )
21/01/2024 11:50:25: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5.00 Lay bet placed on 2. Minnies Mira at 3.95. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market.   Ref: 10042          ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay.   )
21/01/2024 11:50:31: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5 of unmatched bet (Ref:10041) was filled before remainder was killed.
21/01/2024 11:50:35: [G_Auto 1] :  £ 5 unmatched bet (Ref:10042) was killed.
Any guidance would be amazing!
Thanks
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It requires that there is at least a 5 tick spread (gap) between the back and lay price, if that gap narrows it won't trigger again until there is a another gap
Mike Oxlong
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Ah yes that makes sense… Apologies for the silly question.
At risk of asking another one, but is there a way to set the trigger so that it triggers if there is more than an x tick gap but less than y tick gap? Had a look through the parameters but couldn’t see a max gap limit parameter.
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Mike Oxlong wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:44 am
Ah yes that makes sense… Apologies for the silly question.
At risk of asking another one, but is there a way to set the trigger so that it triggers if there is more than an x tick gap but less than y tick gap? Had a look through the parameters but couldn’t see a max gap limit parameter.
You'd add another 'Relative Odds Condition' on the rule
There by creating a range for the rule to trigger in
Fugazi
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Old bot I know.

It doesn't seem to be following the condition ''relative odds'' correctly:

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Even when I adjust this number to ''10'' its still placing bets in situations like this where theres only 2 ticks between unmatched bets waiting:

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EDIT: I think my problem came from setting "any selection". I will check later but I believe this will solve the issue. Any selection was using odds from different horses to hit the criteria. Oops!
Last edited by Fugazi on Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.
kenfrost
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Thanks for this Dallas

I am just trying to work out the thinking behind this.

If I understand it correctly, the idea is to place a back and lay bet on the first two dogs if there is a 5 tick gap.

When both back and lay are matched there will be a profit, if only one side is matched the green up will mitigate the loss.

Have I understood this correctly please?

I gave it a test run on one pre race, and one dog was fully matched the other dog in track 2 only matched on the lay side; so the resulting green up produced a loss.

Am I right in thinking that because greyhound prices are so volatile, the overall profit if you run this on many races will exceed the losses where there is not a full match?

Thanks
Fugazi
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kenfrost wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2024 3:45 pm
Thanks for this Dallas

I am just trying to work out the thinking behind this.

If I understand it correctly, the idea is to place a back and lay bet on the first two dogs if there is a 5 tick gap.

When both back and lay are matched there will be a profit, if only one side is matched the green up will mitigate the loss.

Have I understood this correctly please?

I gave it a test run on one pre race, and one dog was fully matched the other dog in track 2 only matched on the lay side; so the resulting green up produced a loss.

Am I right in thinking that because greyhound prices are so volatile, the overall profit if you run this on many races will exceed the losses where there is not a full match?

Thanks
New here also, but I believe you need to use global settings. . Use "fill or kill" and batches. It wont place the opposing bet until the initial bet is matched. Without this, you will only have a stop loss on one side (if you use offset with stoploss) , and youll have trouble if the side of the bet without a stop loss gets matched first and prices drastically shortens/drifts.

The AI help chat and manual will walk you through all that
kenfrost
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thanks, but it was placing both sides of the trade
Fugazi
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the other dog in track 2 only matched on the lay side; so the resulting green up produced a loss.

Am I right in thinking that because greyhound prices are so volatile, the overall profit if you run this on many races will exceed the losses where there is not a full match?

Thanks
This is the bit Im referring to. Using the methods I suggested to set a stop loss will prevent the losses wildly running away.

So yes, you will make a loss when this happens, but a small loss rather than a big one. You're in a better position then to still make an overall profit
kenfrost
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Thanks, so my understanding is correct namely that it will produce an overall profit if used on many greyhound markets because they are so volatile?

Are people who are using this finding it to be the case?
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