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Niko
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Hi Dallas, is there a way of doing this with automation/signals?? I want to place a back bet once an in running horse reaches a certain odds with that back bet triggering a lay a set number of ticks above current best market price. Bet always goes in at market price on betfair. Am I being a bit dim today?? :)
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Niko wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:19 am
Hi Dallas, is there a way of doing this with automation/signals?? I want to place a back bet once an in running horse reaches a certain odds with that back bet triggering a lay a set number of ticks above current best market price. Bet always goes in at market price on betfair. Am I being a bit dim today?? :)
Yes, its detailed in this thread, which also has links to ready-made examples in the shared files section
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11621
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Cheers again!!
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Dallas wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:25 am
Niko wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:19 am
Hi Dallas, is there a way of doing this with automation/signals?? I want to place a back bet once an in running horse reaches a certain odds with that back bet triggering a lay a set number of ticks above current best market price. Bet always goes in at market price on betfair. Am I being a bit dim today?? :)
Yes, its detailed in this thread, which also has links to ready-made examples in the shared files section
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11621
ahh, ok, but in a fast moving market you can miss the lay price doing it like that. Can you not place a lay as if you were putting a bet on the ladder screen in automation?
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Niko wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:31 am
Dallas wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:25 am
Niko wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:19 am
Hi Dallas, is there a way of doing this with automation/signals?? I want to place a back bet once an in running horse reaches a certain odds with that back bet triggering a lay a set number of ticks above current best market price. Bet always goes in at market price on betfair. Am I being a bit dim today?? :)
Yes, its detailed in this thread, which also has links to ready-made examples in the shared files section
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11621
ahh, ok, but in a fast moving market you can miss the lay price doing it like that. Can you not place a lay as if you were putting a bet on the ladder screen in automation?
No, Betfair will just match it immediately if that or a better price is available
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Because we can do it in betangel on the ladder do you think it's something that can be implemented in a future version of BA??
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Niko wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 11:41 am
Because we can do it in betangel on the ladder do you think it's something that can be implemented in a future version of BA??
It cant be done on the ladder or anywhere, you can only offer back bets above or lay bets below the current price
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Hi Dallas,
I have removed the rules that clear, stop & cancel etc and the not inplay rule,,,
I am trying to use inplay on ladder but a lot of times the bets are not getting triggerd ????
is there any other settings i need to change to use inplay and to get matched as the price moves past where i have set on ladder please
thanks for any help
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Can this be used to keep a bet at x ticks away from the market price, I’d like to catch a quick move that then quickly rebounds. Especially in illiquid markets.
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dvwooly wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:51 am
Can this be used to keep a bet at x ticks away from the market price, I’d like to catch a quick move that then quickly rebounds. Especially in illiquid markets.
If your looking for a sort of fat finger trade there is another rule that does that, or you could combine the two if you wanted to make it more sophisticated
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=19635
dvwooly
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Thanks

I think it can be amended to fit into what I would like.

Basically I'm trying to recreate a bot I used to use on the futures markets to manipulate the DOM. Was borderline illegal but we were all at it :)
RayC
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Hi
Wonder if anyone can help.
I am trying to take the price rather than ask for it, but not until the amount of money on the other side is depleted as you might do manually if you were scalping. I tried adapting this bot, which has got me closer than I was, but I just can't get it to fire when I want. It sits there with odds bouncing up and down around it and then suddenly fires off.
I tried using a stored value condition with the amount of money available to back instruction.
What I really want to do is for example
Using reverse ladder, if there was £100 on the pink side at 3.05 and £100 on the grey side at 3.10, I would click my servant on empty 3.05 grey side, but no bet would go in yet. Instead it watches as the money on the pink side depletes and only as it gets close or even hits zero, then my bet goes in and hopefully is taken immediately, before I trade out on the other side.
Can this be done?
Any help would be gratefully appreciated, as when scalping I so often seem to be just too slow to catch it. :)
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RayC wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:48 am
Hi
Wonder if anyone can help.
I am trying to take the price rather than ask for it, but not until the amount of money on the other side is depleted as you might do manually if you were scalping. I tried adapting this bot, which has got me closer than I was, but I just can't get it to fire when I want. It sits there with odds bouncing up and down around it and then suddenly fires off.
I tried using a stored value condition with the amount of money available to back instruction.
What I really want to do is for example
Using reverse ladder, if there was £100 on the pink side at 3.05 and £100 on the grey side at 3.10, I would click my servant on empty 3.05 grey side, but no bet would go in yet. Instead it watches as the money on the pink side depletes and only as it gets close or even hits zero, then my bet goes in and hopefully is taken immediately, before I trade out on the other side.
Can this be done?
Any help would be gratefully appreciated, as when scalping I so often seem to be just too slow to catch it. :)
You couldn't place a back bet at 3.05 without Betfair matching it immediately against the lay money already waiting at 3.05, you could only offer it at 3.10 or above
RayC
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Sorry Dallas,
Maybe I did not explain it well, but isn't that exactly what this bot does, except stores the value away from the action? I think you used a stored value or servant context. That part was not my problem, but getting it to place the bet just as the money ran out on the other side so as to jump in quick just as the price was about to drop and money come in on the side my bet just got placed.
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RayC wrote:
Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:20 pm
Sorry Dallas,
Maybe I did not explain it well, but isn't that exactly what this bot does, except stores the value away from the action? I think you used a stored value or servant context. That part was not my problem, but getting it to place the bet just as the money ran out on the other side so as to jump in quick just as the price was about to drop and money come in on the side my bet just got placed.
OK i see what you mean now, just to clarify though, this servant doesn't place a pending bet it triggers the bet as the price reaches your servant context price, so to also test the money waiting at that context price you just need to add a stored value condition configured as follows to the back bet servant and that will only allow the rule to trigger if there is <£20 waiting to be matched
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Then on the lay bet bet servant you'd change Value A in that image to look at 'The money available to lay at a price'
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