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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:35 pm
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Wed May 05, 2021 10:03 pm
Chelsea have done better than I expected but that's got to be down to Tuchel. He's done an amazing job in such a short time span.
"In four months at Chelsea, Thomas Tuchel has now beaten Zinedine Zidane, Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp, Diego Simeone (X2), José Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti. And without conceding a single goal either in those seven matches."

He also becomes the first manager in Champions League history to make it to the final in consecutive seasons with different clubs.

Not bad! Credit where due. Hope he beats Pep in the final, like he did in that league game.

Btw saw this somewhere, about their sacking policies.

They are apparently very good at sacking their manager mid-season and then reaching a European final.
1998 Cup Winners' Cup Gullit/Vialli
2008 Champions League Mourinho/Grant
2012 Champions League AVB/Di Matteo
2013 Europa League Di Matteo/Benitez
2021 Champions League Lampard/Tuchel

2009 was very close to adding another to that list. Hiddink replaced Scolari iirc and Chelsea were literally seconds from the final against united which would have been a repeat of the 2008 final when iniesta rifled one into the top corner
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Don't like Arsenal's price tonight against Villarreal. They were totally outplayed in the first leg and got away with murder with a 2-1 loss. If this tie was priced purely on the ability of each coach then Evens would be shocking value. Emery knows how to get a result in this competition and especially against Arsenal. His record at Sevilla was awesome
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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:25 pm
I bring tidings!

Jurgen Klopp's agent Marc Kosicke on whether Klopp will still be in charge of Liverpool FC next season: “Absolutely! No discussion.”

Finally some good news

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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 12:35 pm
Morbius wrote:
Wed May 05, 2021 10:03 pm
Chelsea have done better than I expected but that's got to be down to Tuchel. He's done an amazing job in such a short time span.
"In four months at Chelsea, Thomas Tuchel has now beaten Zinedine Zidane, Pep Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp, Diego Simeone (X2), José Mourinho and Carlo Ancelotti. And without conceding a single goal either in those seven matches."

He also becomes the first manager in Champions League history to make it to the final in consecutive seasons with different clubs.

Not bad! Credit where due. Hope he beats Pep in the final, like he did in that league game.

Btw saw this somewhere, about their sacking policies.

They are apparently very good at sacking their manager mid-season and then reaching a European final.
1998 Cup Winners' Cup Gullit/Vialli
2008 Champions League Mourinho/Grant
2012 Champions League AVB/Di Matteo
2013 Europa League Di Matteo/Benitez
2021 Champions League Lampard/Tuchel

Be careful what you wish for Kai. Iirc there are scenarios where if Liverpool finish 4th they could miss out on the CL if Chelsea win it and also if Arsenal win the EL. Its to do with the UEFA rule of not allowing six teams in the CL from the same country.
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You're right Carl. I think I saw there was 6 different scenarios last week regarding LFC. Didn't wanna care too much about different calculations, more or less indifferent at this point.
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Another English final would be fantastic though.
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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 8:14 pm
You're right Carl. I think I saw there was 6 different scenarios last week regarding LFC. Didn't wanna care too much about different calculations, more or less indifferent at this point.

Yeah you're right. A lot has to happen to get to that situation. The projected points totals for the teams above them makes it difficult for them to make it anyway. West Ham have an easy run in on paper and Liverpool could finish 5/5 and still fall short
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OGS wise to put a strong side out tonight. They have to prioritise the EL now as top 4 locked up. I recall Roma coming from 5-0 down at anfield in 2018 to only lose 7-6 on agg. Then there was the Barcelona comeback and even though this team is weaker, United are not great defensively. Imagine the knock on effect of surrendering a 6-2 lead :shock:
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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 8:24 pm
Another English final would be fantastic though.
I'm struggling to remember a great final where two teams from the same country were in it. Going all the way back to Milan vs Juventus at Old Trafford to the two Madrid finals and iirc the United vs Chelsea final was poor as was Liverpool vs Tottenham. Iirc I don't think BM vs BD came alive in 2013 until extra time. The Chelsea vs Arsenal EL final was poor as Arsenal never turned up.
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Morbius wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 8:38 pm
Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 8:24 pm
Another English final would be fantastic though.
I'm struggling to remember a great final where two teams from the same country were in it. Going all the way back to Milan vs Juventus at Old Trafford to the two Madrid finals and iirc the United vs Chelsea final was poor as was Liverpool vs Tottenham. Iirc I don't think BM vs BD came alive in 2013 until extra time. The Chelsea vs Arsenal EL final was poor as Arsenal never turned up.
Well, from a trading perspective an English final can attract more money and the fillrate could be slightly less crap :D And boring games in general can be good to trade as well.
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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 8:50 pm
Morbius wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 8:38 pm
Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 8:24 pm
Another English final would be fantastic though.
I'm struggling to remember a great final where two teams from the same country were in it. Going all the way back to Milan vs Juventus at Old Trafford to the two Madrid finals and iirc the United vs Chelsea final was poor as was Liverpool vs Tottenham. Iirc I don't think BM vs BD came alive in 2013 until extra time. The Chelsea vs Arsenal EL final was poor as Arsenal never turned up.
Well, from a trading perspective an English final can attract more money and the fillrate could be slightly less crap :D And boring games in general can be good to trade as well.


Spoken like a true trader ;)

Arsenal really have to step this up. The intensity of this team in that first half was poor. If Villareal score they're in trouble. This is a European semi ffs. I thought they were poor value at evens. Arteta could have 45 mins to save his job
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Well all of us always want English teams in big finals, England in a World Cup final or EURO final would be an insane market. Sadly hasn't happened yet for some reason :) 8-)

And I always felt like there's a bit of an English bias as well in the market overall, not looked at any data but could very well be, makes the markets slightly more predictable and possibly easier to read.
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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 9:02 pm
Well all of us always want English teams in big finals, England in a World Cup final or EURO final would be an insane market. Sadly hasn't happened yet for some reason :) 8-)

And I always felt like there's a bit of an English bias as well in the market overall, not looked at any data but could very well be, makes the markets slightly more predictable and possibly easier to read.
There is!
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Euler wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 9:07 pm
Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 9:02 pm
Well all of us always want English teams in big finals, England in a World Cup final or EURO final would be an insane market. Sadly hasn't happened yet for some reason :) 8-)

And I always felt like there's a bit of an English bias as well in the market overall, not looked at any data but could very well be, makes the markets slightly more predictable and possibly easier to read.
There is!
Thanks for confirming that, always wondered :D
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Kai wrote:
Thu May 06, 2021 9:02 pm
Well all of us always want English teams in big finals, England in a World Cup final or EURO final would be an insane market. Sadly hasn't happened yet for some reason :) 8-)

And I always felt like there's a bit of an English bias as well in the market overall, not looked at any data but could very well be, makes the markets slightly more predictable and possibly easier to read.

We would have been in a final but some pesky Eastern European team did a number on us in the semi whose name I can't remember

There is a huge English bias in the market Kai and has been for years. When the "it's coming home" mob get to work then you watch those odds tumble. Bookies don't offer 16s when shaven headed fat beer swilling potato heads from Millwall will jump all over 7s. :roll:
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