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jamesg46
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greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:50 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:22 am
Looking forward to the Newcastle v Tottenham game. I've been pondering if Newcastle will be the victims of their own minds today. The question of an uncertain future could have planted plenty seeds of self doubt & if Tottenham get an early goal it may all unravel on the pitch.

The players will know that the fans see them as yesterday's news and have shifted their sights to bigger & better things. Will there be a lack of desire to fight for something that you're not going to be a part of in a process where you're not appreciated.

A real can of psychological enemies could be opened in this game.
Perhaps they will fight to be part of the future. Plus, if a player thinks "I'm toast now", his focus ought to be on showing other clubs he has useful qualities.
The stand-out for me is Shelvey. A London lad. Has been itinerent most of his career. Maybe now is the time to head home. I reckon a few clubs would be interested. So we might see him showcasing himself. Or get sent off. :-)
I think the media have done a good enough job of planting doubt… I mean the talk has been non stop about which players & manager should it be. Maybe there will be one or two that see it as a challenge…. But in the words of the manager “I have to be realistic”, that in itself comes from a place of believing you’re not good enough for the upcoming project & if that’s coming from the manager I’m sure as heck not gonna believe he’s doing much for the players confidence. Anyway, this is why I’m interested to watch because there is these unknowns. Watch Newcastle batter Spurs now tho 😉
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jamesg46 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:16 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:50 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:22 am
Looking forward to the Newcastle v Tottenham game. I've been pondering if Newcastle will be the victims of their own minds today. The question of an uncertain future could have planted plenty seeds of self doubt & if Tottenham get an early goal it may all unravel on the pitch.

The players will know that the fans see them as yesterday's news and have shifted their sights to bigger & better things. Will there be a lack of desire to fight for something that you're not going to be a part of in a process where you're not appreciated.

A real can of psychological enemies could be opened in this game.
Perhaps they will fight to be part of the future. Plus, if a player thinks "I'm toast now", his focus ought to be on showing other clubs he has useful qualities.
The stand-out for me is Shelvey. A London lad. Has been itinerent most of his career. Maybe now is the time to head home. I reckon a few clubs would be interested. So we might see him showcasing himself. Or get sent off. :-)
I think the media have done a good enough job of planting doubt… I mean the talk has been non stop about which players & manager should it be. Maybe there will be one or two that see it as a challenge…. But in the words of the manager “I have to be realistic”, that in itself comes from a place of believing you’re not good enough for the upcoming project & if that’s coming from the manager I’m sure as heck not gonna believe he’s doing much for the players confidence. Anyway, this is why I’m interested to watch because there is these unknowns. Watch Newcastle batter Spurs now tho 😉
With Kane having been "Levyed" that should drag Spurs down.
The market says Spurs, but I think all your points throw it all up in the air. Where it lands, we shall see. Game on.
I actually hope we see the real Harry Kane, but that is looking increasingly unlikely. The guy has been a shadow of his former clinical striker self.
The whole Kane episode has been incredibly mis-managed.
jamesg46
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greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:33 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:16 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:50 pm

Perhaps they will fight to be part of the future. Plus, if a player thinks "I'm toast now", his focus ought to be on showing other clubs he has useful qualities.
The stand-out for me is Shelvey. A London lad. Has been itinerent most of his career. Maybe now is the time to head home. I reckon a few clubs would be interested. So we might see him showcasing himself. Or get sent off. :-)
I think the media have done a good enough job of planting doubt… I mean the talk has been non stop about which players & manager should it be. Maybe there will be one or two that see it as a challenge…. But in the words of the manager “I have to be realistic”, that in itself comes from a place of believing you’re not good enough for the upcoming project & if that’s coming from the manager I’m sure as heck not gonna believe he’s doing much for the players confidence. Anyway, this is why I’m interested to watch because there is these unknowns. Watch Newcastle batter Spurs now tho 😉
With Kane having been "Levyed" that should drag Spurs down.
The market says Spurs, but I think all your points throw it all up in the air. Where it lands, we shall see. Game on.
I actually hope we see the real Harry Kane, but that is looking increasingly unlikely. The guy has been a shadow of his former clinical striker self.
The whole Kane episode has been incredibly mis-managed.
I think it was silly to keep him. He was always likely to go into a place of mental sulk & who knows what that internal voice is saying or how negatively that is going to impact his game longer term.
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jamesg46 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:38 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:33 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:16 pm


I think the media have done a good enough job of planting doubt… I mean the talk has been non stop about which players & manager should it be. Maybe there will be one or two that see it as a challenge…. But in the words of the manager “I have to be realistic”, that in itself comes from a place of believing you’re not good enough for the upcoming project & if that’s coming from the manager I’m sure as heck not gonna believe he’s doing much for the players confidence. Anyway, this is why I’m interested to watch because there is these unknowns. Watch Newcastle batter Spurs now tho 😉
With Kane having been "Levyed" that should drag Spurs down.
The market says Spurs, but I think all your points throw it all up in the air. Where it lands, we shall see. Game on.
I actually hope we see the real Harry Kane, but that is looking increasingly unlikely. The guy has been a shadow of his former clinical striker self.
The whole Kane episode has been incredibly mis-managed.
I think it was silly to keep him. He was always likely to go into a place of mental sulk & who knows what that internal voice is saying or how negatively that is going to impact his game longer term.
Indeed. Pundits have been saying he will maintain his professionalism. So far, he hasn't. And who could blame him. He has been the stand-out striker for a while. Now he's entering the twilight of his career and Levy has blocked him from his final lucrative move.
I hope I'm wrong because I love watching exceptional footballers doing their thing. But the guy looks hollowed out. Such a shame.
greenmark
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Good grief! 1-0
jamesg46
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greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:51 pm
jamesg46 wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:38 pm
greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 3:33 pm

With Kane having been "Levyed" that should drag Spurs down.
The market says Spurs, but I think all your points throw it all up in the air. Where it lands, we shall see. Game on.
I actually hope we see the real Harry Kane, but that is looking increasingly unlikely. The guy has been a shadow of his former clinical striker self.
The whole Kane episode has been incredibly mis-managed.
I think it was silly to keep him. He was always likely to go into a place of mental sulk & who knows what that internal voice is saying or how negatively that is going to impact his game longer term.
Indeed. Pundits have been saying he will maintain his professionalism. So far, he hasn't. And who could blame him. He has been the stand-out striker for a while. Now he's entering the twilight of his career and Levy has blocked him from his final lucrative move.
I hope I'm wrong because I love watching exceptional footballers doing their thing. But the guy looks hollowed out. Such a shame.
I don’t think professionalism can switch off feelings... sort of like a keeping your chin up and getting on with things isn't going to change the way he's feeling or thinking inside and it could be those internal thoughts and feelings that are expressing themselves in his game. Time will tell but he wanted to go where success is nearly given and if Spurs underachieve his expectations/desires then I'd imagine that internal resentment will only get stronger and stronger.
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This build up has really highlighted the hypocrisy of Sky and the Premier League. The message seems to be there's no room for racism but plenty of room for murderers of journalists and gay people.

This is why lots of people would prefer if broadcasters stayed off the bandwagons and just stuck to the sport.
jamesg46
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greenmark wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 4:02 pm
Good grief! 1-0
My theory doesn't look very sound atm :roll:
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Euler
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Liverpool look so confident at the moment.
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Euler wrote:
Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:18 pm
Liverpool look so confident at the moment.
Could you have jinxed them! 🤣
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Didn't know the karate kid was on🤣
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Euler
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Crazy match
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Kai
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With all due respect to Atletico and Simeone... get fucked
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I think Atletico are entitled to feel aggrieved. I don't think the Jota 'foul' was a pen but not sure why it was overturned on review. As for Simeone storming off down the tunnel and not shaking Klopp's hand.. who cares?! Don't know why the media make such a big deal about this kind of thing. I'd prefer to see a coach show his true emotions at the final whistle rather than some flaccid handshake where the coaches aren't even looking at each other.
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Kai
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About time they lost, can't keep getting away with all that shithousery. Good result but a shambolic performance, quite a few crumbled under the pressure.

Next up United away, if only the matches against them had this much emotion and tension. Imagine Simeone managing United!
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