Not confirmed yet but Rangnicks got the OT job
My source told me he got the job last night after United agreed to his terms to stay on as a consultant
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Then there's Iker Casilas, Sergio Aguero. Daley Blind, Christian Eriksen and Muamba. EPL, EFL et al need to get a grip on the reasons.
I know what I think is the cause.
jamesg46 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:05 pmI’m not bothering with speculation but it is concerning.
No need to speculate as the answer is obvious and known to medical experts for years. It's to do with the increasing demands on players and their physical fitness. In football this is reflected in OPTA stats. At the end of the day the bottom line is that a human body can only endure so much.
For sure, elite sport changes the body in ways that are possibly abnormal.Morbius wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:23 pm
No need to speculate as the answer is obvious and known to medical experts for years. It's to do with the increasing demands on players and their physical fitness. In football this is reflected in OPTA stats. At the end of the day the bottom line is that a human body can only endure so much.
I remember Steve Redgrave saying you can't just stop the extreme levels of exertion. You have to taper down. (And what a bummer that must be. No hope of glory or medals, but you still have to work hard).
But my opinion is that footballers are using performance enhancing drugs and it looks like something has changed.
The last time I tried to look at testing in footy I concluded it was feeble.
So is it the drugs? Is it that the pandemic has broken some important protective links?
But there is something wonky. When was the last time you heard of an Olympic athlete or tennis player collapsing?
Think back. Zidane, Messi and Verthongen throwing up. This stuff ain't normal.
Sure Lineker crapped himself, but that's different.
I played sport from 20 to 52 and never came close to vomiting.
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Oh dear! Have to say I didn't expect you to join the dark side.
If any of these guys you mentioned were using PEDs I think they would have shown up during the barrage of tests they underwent when rushed to hospital. There have been many more footballers than the ones you named who have had undetected heart conditions that have brought an end to their careers. If even one of them were doing anything dodgy the world would have heard about it.
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COVID’s cardiac connection: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01456-3
Losing £100 has never been so bitter sweet.
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Who would have thought Ralk Rangnick for Man Utd?...
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Sorry. But avoiding detection of PED's is well- established. The whole point of PED's is they boost your training and are gone before somone rock up to test you. Armstong got found out only because he was betrayed.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:02 pmOh dear! Have to say I didn't expect you to join the dark side.
If any of these guys you mentioned were using PEDs I think they would have shown up during the barrage of tests they underwent when rushed to hospital. There have been many more footballers than the ones you named who have had undetected heart conditions that have brought an end to their careers. If even one of them were doing anything dodgy the world would have heard about it.
And also, any football club that doesn't screen their players for health issues is failing. So it amazes me these these guys are even allowed on the pitch if screening is half-decent.
So my view is these moments aren't about disease or failure of health screening. They are about relentless use of PED's that without obsessive attention to detail can go wrong.
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Armstrong didn't get 'found out', it was common knowledge that he was a doper, along with pretty much everyone he was racing against and alongside. Even cycling teams were complicit in doping which is why so many of them were kicked out of the sport.greenmark wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:12 pmSorry. But avoiding detection of PED's is well- established. The whole point of PED's is they boost your training and are gone before somone rock up to test you. Armstong got found out only because he was betrayed.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:02 pmOh dear! Have to say I didn't expect you to join the dark side.
If any of these guys you mentioned were using PEDs I think they would have shown up during the barrage of tests they underwent when rushed to hospital. There have been many more footballers than the ones you named who have had undetected heart conditions that have brought an end to their careers. If even one of them were doing anything dodgy the world would have heard about it.
And also, any football club that doesn't screen their players for health issues is failing. So it amazes me these these guys are even allowed on the pitch if screening is half-decent.
So my view is these moments aren't about disease or failure of health screening. They are about relentless use of PED's that without obsessive attention to detail can go wrong.
I agree that in a sport like athletics avoiding detection is possible and fairly routine but not in football. Footballers are competing practically all year round, it would be much much harder to avoid detection. As I've already said a lot of players have had these problems and none of them have been linked to PED's. Quite a few of them though have been linked to undetected congenital heart conditions and other heart defects that aren't routinely screened for which is why there has been a push within the sport for broader screening of players.
Fair enough. I've broken an unwritten rule on here. Provide a reference for your opinion.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:27 pmArmstrong didn't get 'found out', it was common knowledge that he was a doper, along with pretty much everyone he was racing against and alongside. Even cycling teams were complicit in doping which is why so many of them were kicked out of the sport.greenmark wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:12 pmSorry. But avoiding detection of PED's is well- established. The whole point of PED's is they boost your training and are gone before somone rock up to test you. Armstong got found out only because he was betrayed.Trader Pat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:02 pm
Oh dear! Have to say I didn't expect you to join the dark side.
If any of these guys you mentioned were using PEDs I think they would have shown up during the barrage of tests they underwent when rushed to hospital. There have been many more footballers than the ones you named who have had undetected heart conditions that have brought an end to their careers. If even one of them were doing anything dodgy the world would have heard about it.
And also, any football club that doesn't screen their players for health issues is failing. So it amazes me these these guys are even allowed on the pitch if screening is half-decent.
So my view is these moments aren't about disease or failure of health screening. They are about relentless use of PED's that without obsessive attention to detail can go wrong.
I agree that in a sport like athletics avoiding detection is possible and fairly routine but not in football. Footballers are competing practically all year round, it would be much much harder to avoid detection. As I've already said a lot of players have had these problems and none of them have been linked to PED's. Quite a few of them though have been linked to undetected congenital heart conditions and other heart defects that aren't routinely screened for which is why there has been a push within the sport for broader screening of players.
And I don't have a shred of evidence.
So I shall withdraw my comments with as much grace as I can.
