Fireball trading method

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ODPaul82 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:46 pm
Ok so I'm going to bite the bullet and put my hand up and say "yes", I purchased it about 6 months ago. There was a reason.
Before I start please all form an orderly line whilst you ready the AK47s at me, I'm a delicate being but am going to be honest.
Thanks for posting that, I don't think anybody is going to have a go for you being honest.
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I'd also rather see an honest, well written post from someone who bought something, explaining why it's rubbish. Rather than an instant dismissal, with zero evidence, however correct.

Hopefully anyone searching Fireball will see your response and not be tempted to waste their money.
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The problem is....these schemes suck people in because too many punters are not interested in long-term strategies. They want to win tomorrow

It's the reason I turned my PM's off on BA a few years back. I was getting messages from newbies wanting to know my strategies and shortcuts. They wanted my years of testing to be given to them for free. In the end I started being rude to people, so I just switched off my private messages

Fireball sounds interesting, exciting even. There will be a number of struggling punters and traders who'll be enticed by just the name

At £400 we could all scam people with attractive shit like that
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:05 am
The problem is....these schemes suck people in because too many punters are not interested in long-term strategies. They want to win tomorrow

It's the reason I turned my PM's off on BA a few years back. I was getting messages from newbies wanting to know my strategies and shortcuts. They wanted my years of testing to be given to them for free. In the end I started being rude to people, so I just switched off my private messages

Fireball sounds interesting, exciting even. There will be a number of struggling punters and traders who'll be enticed by just the name

At £400 we could all scam people with attractive shit like that
One of the other big issues there is collusion from affiliate and review sites. Very, very few you can trust to give an honest review. I bet a search for UFT throws up a ton of positive reviews. Very easy for a newbie to get sucked in by a fake review. I've even done it myself when I first moved over from matched betting.
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:05 am
The problem is....these schemes suck people in because too many punters are not interested in long-term strategies. They want to win tomorrow
Have to respectfully disagree with that one, people don't want to win tomorrow because that sounds like an awfully long time, they want to win today :D

We all suffer from instant gratification in some way, shape or form, because that is the age we're living in and the morally corrupt will always try and take advantage of any such opportunities.
ODPaul82 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:46 pm
Ok so I'm going to bite the bullet and put my hand up and say "yes", I purchased it about 6 months ago. There was a reason.
You're not the first sailor that's been lured by a siren's song, and won't be the last.

It will always sound good and appealing under the right circumstances, but from what I've seen there are very few shortcuts around that money can actually buy. It sounds perfect as a pitch, spend some money and save a ton of time and you are guaranteed success, wouldn't that be nice :)

The one true guarantee is that we will all make mistakes and many of them, there are no exceptions, and some of the mistakes will cost either money or time. So if that's a guarantee then the only sensible thing to do is learn from them as there is no faster way to learn. So by all means, own your mistakes and own your faults.

Thinking it may add value to your trading/betting is a far better reason than thinking that you're purchasing a working edge that will print money. It's obviously not beyond the realm of possibility that someone could get some value from products like that if they are using similar approaches, but it's also important to be honest with yourself first and foremost and not to give in to sunk cost fallacy etc. And in my opinion it's also good to learn to laugh at yourself, it can be very liberating :)

Perhaps a helpful quick filter that one could apply when it comes to these types of products and services, is to look whether someone is selling a system/strategy/edge or selling education/mentoring/service. It wouldn't be a perfect filter but generally I think you'll find there's a lot more value (if any) in the latter.

Since there is virtually no real transparency in this whole industry it gets very difficult to do proper credibility checks, so I'm afraid everyone has to rely on their own experience. That is exactly why the more experienced people try to warn others about potential pitfalls and dead ends and so on.
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Euler wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:51 am
ODPaul82 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:46 pm
Ok so I'm going to bite the bullet and put my hand up and say "yes", I purchased it about 6 months ago. There was a reason.
Before I start please all form an orderly line whilst you ready the AK47s at me, I'm a delicate being but am going to be honest.
Thanks for posting that, I don't think anybody is going to have a go for you being honest.
Something to be said for failed attempts as there's often value in finding something that doesn't work.  You can break it down and look at why.

I don't remember the exact Ted talk but I recall one which showed a graph something like this:
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...where you unavoidably take a few wrong turns (red) along in order to give you perspective and a sense of direction about how to actually get to your goals. The pathing I drew could be more articulate but you get the idea.

I'm not sure if it was said in the talk or not but I believe it's more likely to make the wrong turns earlier in the journey (and the degree to the indirections bigger, too) so don't beat yourself up about taking those red turns when they arise — use it to realign yourself to the best of your ability.


For example something advertised as a "PROFITABLE UNDER 2.5 LAY STRATEGY" or similar is pointless without context as it doesn't address the core principle of needing to bet at value to beat commission & be profitable long-term.
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:05 am
The problem is....these schemes suck people in because too many punters are not interested in long-term strategies. They want to win tomorrow

It's the reason I turned my PM's off on BA a few years back. I was getting messages from newbies wanting to know my strategies and shortcuts. They wanted my years of testing to be given to them for free. In the end I started being rude to people, so I just switched off my private messages
The best one I ever had a few years back started like many others I get "Can you send me a profitable bot I can use 'on X markets'
but this guy also finished off his message with a extra request of "please don't waste my time sending me anything that does not make at least £100 per day"
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Dallas wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:54 pm
LeTiss wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:05 am
The problem is....these schemes suck people in because too many punters are not interested in long-term strategies. They want to win tomorrow

It's the reason I turned my PM's off on BA a few years back. I was getting messages from newbies wanting to know my strategies and shortcuts. They wanted my years of testing to be given to them for free. In the end I started being rude to people, so I just switched off my private messages
The best one I ever had a few years back started like many others I get "Can you send me a profitable bot I can use 'on X markets'
but this guy also finished off his message with a extra request of "please don't waste my time sending me anything that does not make at least £100 per day"
Thought I already apologized for that one Dallas :oops:
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Dallas wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:54 pm
LeTiss wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:05 am
The problem is....these schemes suck people in because too many punters are not interested in long-term strategies. They want to win tomorrow

It's the reason I turned my PM's off on BA a few years back. I was getting messages from newbies wanting to know my strategies and shortcuts. They wanted my years of testing to be given to them for free. In the end I started being rude to people, so I just switched off my private messages
The best one I ever had a few years back started like many others I get "Can you send me a profitable bot I can use 'on X markets'
but this guy also finished off his message with a extra request of "please don't waste my time sending me anything that does not make at least £100 per day"
Can you send me one Dallas Ill be happy with 50 a day :lol: :lol:
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Dallas wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:54 pm
LeTiss wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:05 am
The problem is....these schemes suck people in because too many punters are not interested in long-term strategies. They want to win tomorrow

It's the reason I turned my PM's off on BA a few years back. I was getting messages from newbies wanting to know my strategies and shortcuts. They wanted my years of testing to be given to them for free. In the end I started being rude to people, so I just switched off my private messages
The best one I ever had a few years back started like many others I get "Can you send me a profitable bot I can use 'on X markets'
but this guy also finished off his message with a extra request of "please don't waste my time sending me anything that does not make at least £100 per day"
You've already posted one in the shared automation files section... ;)
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Dallas wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:54 pm
but this guy also finished off his message with a extra request of "please don't waste my time sending me anything that does not make at least £100 per day"
:lol: :lol:
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