Australian Open 2022

[asaele]

Just for trading info - Djokovic can either return to detention pending legal appeal or leave Australia.

At present it does not appear he can stay out of detention pending appeal. He has been asked to present himself to immigration for an interview on Saturday morning. He is not yet in detention and the comments on that detention pending legal appeal is my opinion (and understanding of the law).

I really don’t think he should constitute 30% of the market. That’s just my opinion. So I’ve backed the field without the Djoker within my risk tolerances.

The other bet that some are looking at is lay the Djoker.

If he doesn’t take to the court for round 1 the lay is void.

If he does take to the court the lay stands. He then has to win 7 matches off a dodgy preparation.

Agree, have both a back the field and lay Djoko position at the moment.
You have to pay 115% to back the field now though, probably still worth it. You can of course skip some of the 1000 oddsers.

The Djoko trade value is depending on the likelyhood of him having to leave after the tournament has started. With all this mess, including lawyers anything is possible. If he was guaranteed to finish the tournament if starting I would rather back at 3.5 than lay. Don't think preparations matter too much, as he will get in shape during the first few rounds.

[sionascaig]

There is a link to to the court feed here (11:13 update)... Shows arguments so far atm..

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/ ... alex-hawke

[gazuty]

Ordered back into detention (subject to being allowed time out to spend time with his lawyers).

[Derek27]

All this hassle just to avoid a harmless jab.

[jamesg46]

All this hassle just to avoid a harmless jab.

I’m not much for the word harmless “not able or ‘likely’ to cause harm”. Although technically correct (about the jab) it comes across somewhat deceiving. It’s pretence imo.

We know there are side effects, although unlikely, so let’s umbrella it with the word harmless.

Just my opinion, as we were.

[Derek27]

All this hassle just to avoid a harmless jab.

I’m not much for the word harmless “not able or ‘likely’ to cause harm”. Although technically correct (about the jab) it comes across somewhat deceiving. It’s pretence imo.

We know there are side effects, although unlikely, so let’s umbrella it with the word harmless.

Just my opinion, as we were.

Relatively speaking, it would be harmless to his bank balance, reputation, tennis standing and stress levels. I think it's unlikely that fear of the jab would cause him as much stress as he's undergoing now.

[jamesg46]

All this hassle just to avoid a harmless jab.

I’m not much for the word harmless “not able or ‘likely’ to cause harm”. Although technically correct (about the jab) it comes across somewhat deceiving. It’s pretence imo.

We know there are side effects, although unlikely, so let’s umbrella it with the word harmless.

Just my opinion, as we were.

Relatively speaking, it would be harmless to his bank balance, reputation, tennis standing and stress levels. I think it's unlikely that fear of the jab would cause him as much stress as he's undergoing now.

Surely he would of thought through those things before making his decisions, & if he didn’t then surely to god his lawyers or immediate team would of spoken to him about it. If so then he still chose the path of no jab which suggests he fears the jab over any of the above things.

Who knows, we can only speculate, but it appears he’s willing to go down on this ship.

[Derek27]

I’m not much for the word harmless “not able or ‘likely’ to cause harm”. Although technically correct (about the jab) it comes across somewhat deceiving. It’s pretence imo.

We know there are side effects, although unlikely, so let’s umbrella it with the word harmless.

Just my opinion, as we were.

Relatively speaking, it would be harmless to his bank balance, reputation, tennis standing and stress levels. I think it's unlikely that fear of the jab would cause him as much stress as he's undergoing now.

Surely he would of thought through those things before making his decisions, & if he didn’t then surely to god his lawyers or immediate team would of spoken to him about it. If so then he still chose the path of no jab which suggests he fears the jab over any of the above things.

Who knows, we can only speculate, but it appears he’s willing to go down on this ship.

Not necessarily. He may have just thought, I'm Novak Djokovic, they must let me in.

[jamesg46]

Relatively speaking, it would be harmless to his bank balance, reputation, tennis standing and stress levels. I think it's unlikely that fear of the jab would cause him as much stress as he's undergoing now.

Surely he would of thought through those things before making his decisions, & if he didn’t then surely to god his lawyers or immediate team would of spoken to him about it. If so then he still chose the path of no jab which suggests he fears the jab over any of the above things.

Who knows, we can only speculate, but it appears he’s willing to go down on this ship.

Not necessarily. He may have just thought, I'm Novak Djokovic, they must let me in.

It’s possible, not sure how likely… I guess people will make judgment of likeliness based on his character & actions but I suppose that’s riddled with bias depending on individual perception of his character & actions.

I’m sure we will get to see an abundance of egocentric bias with this situation.

[Euler]

It's curious.

Becomes the greatest Tennis player of all time by getting a jab or finding a way around the issue well in advance of the tournament you are most likely to win.

Or ignore all the above, have a total shit show and jepordise the next grand slam and ruin your brand.

Difficult choice...

[Kai]

@Kai - be interested if you have any views on this article- https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/worl ... kovic.html

Obviously can't speak for Serbians even though I do have many Serb friends but I think the article sums it up well enough.

Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, there are a lot of vocal anti-vaxers in the region and the whole lockdown periods did not go well in Serbia in particular. I think people overall take their personal freedoms very seriously and just see it as another form of oppression. I've seen Serbian users reading this thread so I'd rather leave it to them to expand on that should they wish to.

Clearly, for anti-vaxers this basically makes Novak a martyr so this will only serve to cement his champion status in their eyes, like someone already pointed out in the thread earlier. Don't really have much of an opinion/interest personally on the drama, been blown way out of proportion and doesn't reflect well on anyone involved, I think either way a decision needed to be reached very quickly, the only tennis drama that deserves this type of media attention is the Peng Shuai one for me.

I'm sure top athletes get away with stuff all the time, Novak probably didn't think it was going to be a big deal at all.

[Trader Pat]

Djokovic is a conspiracy theorist and believes in crackpot science. Most conspiracy theorists are anti-vax so its not surprising he doesn't want to get a vaccine. Again though this has got nothing to do with personal beliefs or his stance on getting the jab. It boils down to the fact that he's been caught out in more than one lie so I don't see what option the Aussie government had other than to cancel his visa.

If he is out of the tournament it might be a good thing for him. Poor preparation probably means he's no longer the favourite; he'd be saved the wrath of the fans and he wouldn't have to sit in front of the media and answer questions. Plus he can play the victim and will have extra motivation for the rest of the slams. (Apart from the French )

[Euler]

I’ll always remember Roger Federer for his legendary consistency, Rafael Nadal for his clay court mastery, Andy Murray for his heart and soul prowess, and Novak Djokovic for visiting Australia unvaccinated during COVID-19 and turning it into a miserable and unnecessary shit show.

[Trader Pat]

Penny for the thoughts of the remaining players in the draw who have Covid exemptions

[greenmark]

I’ll always remember Roger Federer for his legendary consistency, Rafael Nadal for his clay court mastery, Andy Murray for his heart and soul prowess, and Novak Djokovic for visiting Australia unvaccinated during COVID-19 and turning it into a miserable and unnecessary shit show.

That made chortle!